Can you still stop a car by turning off the ignition

The fact, not meant to be cute.

As it relates to cars. That's why I started the thread.

It's usually called "thread drift" and it's happened here for decades.

But in this case, the paragraph about Grape Nuts was addressed to the person I was replying to, Cindy. Cindy and I had discussed mixing raisins with Grape Nuts a couple years ago. I finally did a follow-up a few months ago, and iirc she didn't reply, so I replied again when I knew she was reading the thread. She replied further down but ignored the Grape Nuts part.

I don't know what's come over you this week. You've been contentious in more than one place. I hope whatever is bothering you goes away.

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That's good. I didn't know Sorentos (or any car other than an electic car) had electric power steering.

Good to know, not that it's likely I'll ever have a push button car.

Or be kidnapped. ;-)

I think that article had a lot of flaws in it.

My Subaru has a little lever-switch - for the parking brake - located down near the shifter - - yet another inovation to get accustomed to - .. I wonder what would happen if a passenger activated it when I was driving at highway speed .. Check that our Clare - let me know .. :-) John T.

Haven't got any electric e-brake vehicles. However MOST current production vehicles with electric e-brakes will NOT ALLOW the ebrake to apply when in motion, and many require the vehicle to be stationary with your foot on the brake to apply

Off topic but my Toyota Solara convettibles (two in a row) will not allow one to put the top up or down at speeds over about 5mph. The control unit is at the front end of the trunk.

The trunk is too small for me to get into it, except if i took the lid off and stood, andeven then it would be too small to bend over and do something. And the trunk is too big for me to reach the top control unit. So I leaned over as far as I could and had to guess which of 2 wires that looked about the right color was the right color. AT least with the second car. The first one may have been easier. But I cut the right color and now I can put the top up or down at any speed (like all the prior convs.)

I would not recommend this for an e-brake however. It would be useful for when one's brakes fail, but that is now very rare***, at least for me.

But putting the top up while moving is a time-saver and especially important if one is driving on the highway and it starts to rain more heavily than speed will keep the car dry. You try to stop under an overpass, to latch the top, but you have to slow down first and you need to start the top going up before you reach the overpass.

Then, the day after I drove my brother to the airport to go to Viet Nam, as a soldier, he had lent me his car and the brakes failed first thing. A '65 Pontiac and the one-way white plastic valve at the booster had popped out. A few years later I bought the same model but 1967 and the first day I had it, the same thing happened. Pontiac must have something against me. No damage either time.

Another time at a roadside business I backed into a rickety woodden fence, with a lot of bushes, because the brakes failed, again, in a car before their were separate front and rear brakes, and I think I moved the fence a bit but no apparent damage.

That's 4 but I think therre were 1 to 3 more times. I'm glad those days are over.

Our olde VW dune buggies ~ never had front brakes. Rear brakes only allowed some wicked spin-outs ! I often wish I had an old photo of these buggies .. alas . My brother built 2 or 3 ; neighbour Bob built 2 ; Crazy Daryl 1 ; City Gord showed up with a 1500 .. .. and we all saw the difference ! Big Time ! Ours were all old worn out 1100 1200 from the late '50s early 60's .. the 1500 was like a Porsche. John T.

I only own convertibles and I'm not sure there is a more recent one that's as big and not from a company I don't like. I paid 4000 for this one 8 years ago. I think I once paid 9000. That's as high as I've gone. But prices are rising.

Fully engage? In some cars, just pressing a little is enough to activate the brake light switch. Wouldn't that be enough to start or stop?

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Opel Corsa has it.

I forgot you have weird priorities. Still, I'd expect your fancy-schmancy convertible to have a Start button.

I'll try it next time I start the car. If I think about it.

All Toyotas I've had since the 2009 year had electric steering. My

My 2007 Yaris and the next two also had it. It's the Denso system that uses a electric motor tied to the steering wheel shaft. Sort of like an e- bike the amount of aid is tied to torque and various ECU datum.

What it isn't is a steer by wire system. I think Infiniti is the only production IC vehicle and the Cybertruck the only EV so far for the primary steering. Some of the rear wheel steering schemes use it.

I don't know about the Tesla but the Infinitis have a backup mechanical system so I don't see where there is any savings in design or implementation.

I have a car like that (about 4 months old). I have tried both physical keys. What I have not tried is starting the engine with a dead battery in the fob. There is no keyhole for that. There's a hidden place with no keyhole. Apparently you put the fob in a certain place and there a RFID device in there.

As for stopping the engine when the car is moving, my manual says to hold the button down until the engine stops (it doesn't say how long) or press it three times in two seconds. It doesn't say anything about requiring the brake while pushing the button.

When I looked at the physical key in my fob, I had never seen a car key like that before. It was cut in the middle of the larger sides rather that at the edges. It still worked.

BTW, this car has a phone app, which allows lock/unlock/remote start/ sounding the horn. It also uses Google Maps to show the car's location. That could be useful if the car is ever stolen.

The car I bought in 1981 (it was a 1980 model) had a carburetor. I thought that was unusual.

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On my Toyota starting the car with a dead fob is done by touching the fob to the Start Button.

My 1982 Firebird had a carburetor. It did have a computer controlled, solenoid operated valve to enrich the mixture at times. That caused me intermittent headaches that turned out to be a tiny piece of neoprene which would block the operation at random times.

Running the troubleshooting tree was frustrating since many of the sensor outputs were on the edge of the limits. I felt better since my client was having problems getting his Oldsmobile sorted out at the dealership. His son was the service manager so it was unlikely they were screwing him around :)

The early '80s were interesting as technology slowly crept in. Even my '86 F150 has a carb with a few mods for the primitive ECU.

My '86 GMC pickup has a carb . Not the original now , but the original Quadrajet did have a solenoid device that limited the accelerator pump shot when the motor was at operating temp . The only other electronic controls it had (doesn't now , aftermarket dist) was a spark retard on the distributor tied to a knock sensor .

My Kia is the same way.