Likewise, Bill. I am about to contract to have a tree removed for the
first time in my life. It is a 100 foot white pine surrounded by
wires and obstacles. It will cost me more than a grand.
All because I want to give the renegade sycamore that sprouted nearby
some room to do it's thing.
On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 15:24:41 -0400, Wolf Kirchmeir
Oh, yeah. There will be many board that end up framing someone's
house. That is part of the deal with cutter downer who happens to be
a neighbor in that business. He gets to sell the logs to the sawmill.
Yes again. I figure that some bird pooped out the sycamore seed and
that baby is already 15 feet tall after only 5 or 6 years. I won't
miss the pine pollen every June either.
That's silly. Nobody should even have to pick up the phone and call a lawyer
to retrieve their $250 or $500 deductible. There's a simpler way, and it
already exists. Make the permit a legal contract. The local judge can
introduce you to jail food if you mouth off and refuse to pay. This sort of
thing happens with a fair amount of regularity, right in the same courtroom
as traffic tickets.
Your local building inspectors probably sit on their tails for a few hours a
week. Let them do it. You're already paying them.
What you really can't afford is the effects of stupidity on you.
Yeah, yeah, taxes is bad, but if some private outfit charges you "fees"
for the same service, it's good.
I've _never_ understood that logic. The only thing I care about is how
much I get for my money. Private bureaucracies (a.k.a "corporations")
are at least as inefficient as public ones, and there's the added
disdavantage that we don't get a chance to throw the rascals out every
four years. And private bureaucracies want me to pay extra ("profits")
just so some bozos can get some unearned income ("dividends") - now
that's a real good use of my cash!
Here are two more reasons for some control over removal of trees.
One of my neighbors is completely nature-phobic. Anything that moves or
isn't produced in a factory is a threat. She had her entire SLOPING back
yard clear cut and then didn't plant anything for 8 years. Periodically she
would have the boyfriend/husband spray the slope with Round-up. Sure, it
was her yard and I guess I didn't HAVE to look at it. The real problem came
with the erosion caused by removing all the trees without a plan to
remediate the erosion. Eventually a very large tree (too large for them to
remove themselves) was undercut and fell, crashing into and breaking off two
of my trees. Both trees were on the edge of a drainage ditch. Between the
erosion from their property and the loss of the trees in my yard, the ditch
evolved from a shallow canal to an 9 foot deep crevasse. Now other trees
are being undercut and are about to fall, causing a downward spiral of
events that threaten our property and theirs.
The other reason for regulating the removal of trees is that some people
feel that cutting a tree down and leaving a big stump is fine. A number of
our neighbors have cut trees down in their front yards, leaving large stumps
sticking two to three feet out of the ground. It looks like hell. If you
are going to remove a tree, don't start a job you can't finish.
Better watch out. The people who don't want to defend their position that
*they* should be allowed to cut down *their* trees whenever they want will
accuse you of taking it to the extreme with this real life story that's
repeated all too often in areas where people are allowed to do whatever they
want to trees on land they own.
I think you and/or the municpality have grounds for a lawsuit there -
the grounds that have been washed away by the rain...
I doubt their insurance will cover the damage they've caused; so go
after them. Bozos like that should not be allowed to thrive.
-> [whining mode] New neighbors next door- to the west.-> Their first week in they've cut down a *beautiful* 30 year old Black Olive-> tree that shaded my entire front garden- full of shade plants. Anthuriums,-> calatheas, ferns, teeny little gems that I had cherished for years in-> containers before putting them in the ground.-> That garden is only one year old- and now I am having to reorganize the-> whole darn thing. Plants are wilting faster than I can transplant them.-> -> And I thought our town had an ordinance against this sort of thing without a-> permit- guess that explains the city trucks I've seen stopping to take-> photos of the stump three times now.-> Would I be evil to hope they get fined?-> -> And I know about Black Olive maintenance issues- I have one. But had they-> bothered to live here a while before killing trees they'd have noticed that-> *we* always keep their walkways pressure cleaned- husband just can't seem to-> stop once he gets going.-> Not feeling too good about my new neighbors right now. [/whining mode]
Some people just hate trees. When I was a kid my step-father cut down a
beautiful weeping willow tree in our backyard. Later, after I moved out,
he cut down the tree in the front yard, too.
Perhaps your new next door neighbor wanted to have a beautiful sun lit lawn
with rose beds and other sun loving flowers as much as you wanted your shade
Perhaps he had to have the tree cut down by order of the city due to the
tree's root system damaging the sidewalks, street or sewer system.
Perhaps the tree was diseased and needed to be removed.
Or perhaps he just didn't like the tree!
Did you introduce yourself and let them know just how you felt about that
Aren't neighbors grand! I had an elderly couple living next door for years.
They took great care of the place, were friendly, and made an effort to do
some gardening. They moved last July and some trashy woman moved in along
with her nephew and son. They have three cars, a truck, and two
motorcycles. Rather than shift the cars, they space them out in the
driveway so they can weave around the vehicles when they need to go
somewhere. The driveway is rather short, so they have to park across the
sidewalk and one car is parked so the rear half of the car in the street.
Last year they cut the grass three times. This year they set the mower deck
so low that it scalps the grass, presumably so they won't have to mow very
often. On Mother's Day weekend, the woman bought a flat of petunias. She
planted a couple of cell pack, distributed a few more around her beds, and
left a half-full flat in the bed next to the garage. She hasn't touched the
plants since, so now there are half-dead annuals, still in the cell packs,
sprinkled around the yard. Unfortunately, she hasn't trimmed, edged, or
weeded since she moved in and there are huge weeds and saplings growing all
over. Two weeks ago she decided to clean-up a bit, but after a few minutes
she abandoned the job leaving her tools and a black plastic drum liner in
the yard next to a couple gallon nursery liners with dead plants she bought
last fall but never planted. There are soda cans, cigarette butts, dog
toys, and assorted lawn furniture strewn around the yard. One would think
that between her fat ass and the two "study" bubbas and their illegitimate
children they could manage to clean-up the place but they seldom leave the
house, choosing to stay sealed inside with the AC running when the
temperatures are in the 60s! When they do come outside they give us a cold
glare or pretend we don't exist. I see some tall shrubs in my future!
Well, it's not always a neighbor. The backyard gardener show on PBS had a
segment recently in a which a straight-line windstorm had upended an
enormous 100 year old oak in the middle of summer. He had an entire shade
garden under the tree, which was now exposed to the blazing sun of an
Oklahoma summer. He was also concerned about transplanting, and ended up
making some temporary shades with laths, shade cloth, etc. so that he could
carry the plants through until cooler weather in the fall, when he could
transplant them with more success.
Found a very interesting webpage regarding various "Green Laws" enacted
around the US...
And another note on my offending neighbor- since originally posting I have
twice again seen trucks pull up and someone snap a photo of the remaining
I have my daughter take care of the neighbors dog
when he's unruly. Here's a pic...
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