OT: Health insurance

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On 08-17-2013 08:07, Norminn wrote:

I do work in health care, and I do understand that like every human endeavor it has its share of idiots, liars, and thieves.
The fact that incentives for bad care abound doesn't make it true that
> There is NO INCENTIVE for docs, hospitals or anyone else to keep > people HEALTHY. "
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"Data" is not the plural of "anecdote."
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On 8/18/2013 1:55 AM, Wes Groleau wrote:

Healthy people don't NEED to go to the doctor often. The sicker they are, the more they go, the more doc gets paid.
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On 08-18-2013 08:25, Norminn wrote:

If you worked in healthcare you might get it.
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Wes Groleau

I won't burn your Koran because I don't want you to burn my Bible;
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On Sunday, August 18, 2013 7:38:58 PM UTC-7, Wes Groleau wrote:

At least not lately. The historical record of the many Christian groups/sc hisms and their ferocious hatred for each other is replete with every form of abuse, including, inter alia, torture, murder, population displacement a nd genocide. The millennial historical record -- not a matter of opinion.
Does Western civilization (such as it is) have time for the many Muslim gro ups/schisms to stop doing the same thing?
Or are the circumstances basically different?
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On 08-19-2013 12:23, Higgs Boson wrote:

Some could argue you exaggerate, but you are certainly substantially correct. There is a big difference however: that behavior is not consistent with the teachings they claimed to follow.
In Islam, on the other hand, the violent are obeying the Quran, while the peaceful oppose them half-heartedly, if at all.
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On Monday, August 19, 2013 11:05:46 PM UTC-7, Wes Groleau wrote:

orm of abuse, including, inter alia, torture, murder, population displaceme nt and genocide. The millennial historical record -- not a matter of opini on.

Which passages in the Koran are we talking about? Out of my (non) encyclop ediac (sp?)knowledge of their "holy book" I can tell you there are passages that allow them to call it a "religion of peace". So the violent follow t he passages that fit their world view, and the non-violent follow theirs.
Important to note that when 9/11 went down, perfectly innocent American Mus lims were viciously attacked. Just like in 1963, cars with Texas plates we re vandalized. (for those who don't get the reference: The Kennedy assass ination)
I suspect that many, if not most, American Muslims took their religion as c asually as most American Christians -- and Jews! take theirs. (The vast maj ority of American Catholics practice birth control, for example.)
For most American Muslims, it was just something you did; go to church/mosq ue, say prayers, give charity; use the respective house of worship as a com munity gathering place to find mates for your children, cut business deals, socialize. Just like other religions. Who had any incentive to rock the American boat?
Their founding myth is no more bizarre than that of the Christians (or, you could argue, ours.) One of the more bizarre founding myths is of a contem porary American religion less than 200 years old.
Radicalized young men with raging hormones and no civilized way to express them are the same all over the world. In the US and the "developed" world, there is a civil society which acts to some extent as a constraint and the re is (or was!) work which gave people a sense of self-worth.
In the Muslim world which is overwhelmingly religion-authoritarian based, t here IS no civil society, ergo no such constraint. On the contrary, in mos t of these countries, the Islamist world view teaches hatred of the West fr om early childhood. Muslims who want to liberate their religion from shari 'a have to do their work from London.
Glass houses...
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On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 6:25:20 PM UTC-4, Higgs Boson wrote:

form of abuse, including, inter alia, torture, murder, population displace ment and genocide. The millennial historical record -- not a matter of opi nion.

es that allow them to call it a "religion of peace". So the violent follow the passages that fit their world view, and the non-violent follow theirs.

There are passages in Mein Kampf that one could use to call that a work of peace too.

Which of course has nothing to do with anything. The Muslim extremists believe it's OK to kill anyone, including their own, in the name of Islam.
Just like in 1963, cars with Texas plates were vandalized. (for those who don't get the reference: The Kennedy assassination)

Nice going. You've earned the village idiot of the day award for that lame attempt at lib moral equivalency.

ajority of American Catholics practice birth control, for example.)

ommunity gathering place to find mates for your children, cut business deal s, socialize. Just like other religions. Who had any incentive to rock th e American boat?

What you "imagine" has no relevancy.

emporary American religion less than 200 years old.

d, there is a civil society which acts to some extent as a constraint and t here is (or was!) work which gave people a sense of self-worth.

More moral equivalency and attempt at justification nonsense.

Oh my God, if a conservative or Republican ever said that, it would be used as an example of bigoted intolerance. At the very least, it is totally ignorant.
On the contrary, in most of these countries, the Islamist world view teac hes hatred of the West from early childhood. Muslims who want to liberate their religion from shari'a have to do their work from London.

And WTF does that last part imply?
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On Sat, 17 Aug 2013 01:36:21 -0400, Wes Groleau

I've had a wide variety of procedures and I've never found any doctors who pushed me to have them beyond what I would consider normal tendencies to want to help people. The only medical practitioner I've run across that seemed to be in it for the bucks was a dentist who was taking over the practice of my retiring dentist. Somehow, even though I'd been getting regular dental care from the old dentist, this new guy found close to $5000 of recommended dental work on me and about $4000 on my wife.
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that's because it's a third party (the insurance company) that is paying the medical bill, and because for a lot of people, it's a second "third party", the employer, who is paying the insurance policy bill.
So if I"m the sick person in a decent company, I don't pay but a small part of my insurance premium, so I really don't care how much the premium is, and I only pay a small co-pay for whatever treatment I get so I really don't care what the cost of the treatment is. It's like getting it all for FREE!!! so I just don't care what the insurance costs or what the insurance has to pay. Until I lose my job that is, and then suddenly I want to know "Why is insurance so expensive and why is health care so expensive???"
I don't agree that health care in the US is bad or poor if you are an informed consumer of it. You could, and many people do, say your car care is bad or poor because you don't understand how your car works and you don't understand how it's supposed to be fixed and you don't take the time to find a good mechanic but just take it to Billy-Bobs Rx Car Doctor and Car Wash.
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In wrote:

http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/library/chart-graph/obamacare-flowchart
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Over half the people in the US are fat and lazy slugs in poor physical condition. They got that way because they eat McFat food.
No one in the health care industry forces them to eat McFat food, do they?
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On 8/16/2013 3:48 AM, McFat Food wrote:

No one forced you to have a McFat head, did they. Now go away and nym shift some more. ^_^
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Unlike most fat people, I think he was born with his condition.
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to work within the system, but too early to shoot
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On 8/16/2013 7:11 AM, Kurt Ullman wrote:

And to think, the mouthpiece for the P.L.L.C.F calls me a troll. ^_^
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We're in this together. I've had at least a few people call me names.
. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .
On 8/16/2013 8:23 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

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On 8/16/2013 8:08 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

I often get called the "N" word. Ya know .....Nazi. O_o
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On 8/16/2013 5:36 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

Ever notice all the 400lb+ McFatass double-wide tub-o-guts riding around Walmart on those electric scooters? (You usually see them in the Krispy Kreme isle, seldom in the fresh produce section.)
Well, if you work and pay taxes, you should be appalled. You are paying for their healthcare. Obesity, heart disease, liver disease and high blood pressure are mostly caused by eating sugary food.
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On 8/16/2013 10:47 AM, McFat Head wrote:

Well McFat Head, Neal Boortz complained about the fat asses cruising around Wally World on the electric scooters during broadcasts on his radio talk show. The electric scooter game is one very big scam making a lot of money for scooter companies. O_o

I'm disabled and died of a heart attack, some fantastic paramedics brought me back. I never wanted to be on disability but when I became so weak and ill, I had no choice. The cardiologist sent me home to die but I refuse to. I actually get out and help my roommate on service calls even though I hurt like hell. The work I do with my roommate for free allows him to make money and pay taxes on it. So I guess I'm actually giving back. I refuse to sit on my butt or lay down and die. ^_^
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Maybe Michelle can force the fat slugs to get some exercise? She can call it something catchy like "lets move"?
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On 8/16/2013 4:48 AM, McFat Food wrote:

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On Friday, August 16, 2013 1:40:11 AM UTC-4, Higgs Boson wrote:

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al care which in the U.S. is commodified as an "industry" rather than a pub lic good.

er of us was a national of that country.

lete their medical studies at government expense.

an-hospital fees between practitioners and institutions. No drive to speci alize in big money practices like plastic surgery. In return,physician obl iged to devote 'n' years to (more or less) government assigned practice, me aning often working in under-served communities.

As if govt is soooo efficient and economical. If it is, why are we getting crushed to death here in NJ with some of the highest property taxes in the country? Why is California, which is closest to socialist Europe, almost bankrupt?
And why is it that the free market system can deliver a hamburger, an automobile or auto insurance at reasonable prices?

ood.

Then housing should be a non-profit public good too. So should food. How about clothing? Then we have some examples of things that are run by the govt that aren't doing their job. Where does the USA public schools rank today in terms of educating our children?

down the line in social costs that we pay out of our other tax pocket."

fast .

Obamacare was providing insurance to what, 30mil people? So, to fix a "problem" for 10% of the population, you don't care what happens to the other 90%?

e pay for it ANYWAY in the form of social costs for damage done to and/or b y impaired individuals who didn't get care in time.

Many of us understand it. It's just that we don't believe having the govt pass a 2500 page bill that no one even read, much less understood, in a rush, solves any of the real problems. Just one example is the lie that it was going to reduce healthcare costs and that if you had private insurance, it would not effect you at all. Healthcare costs are rising because of Obamacare and many people with private plans have been effected, either with large rate increases or companies dropping coverage. Also, witness that this recovery is unique in that most of the jobs being created are part-time. Why do you think that is?
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