On 3/16/2012 9:22 AM, email@example.com wrote:
Only if your point of reference is "dittohead skool".
Since man has been on the earth there are those without a moral compass
who will do whatever is necessary to enrich themselves.
Suppose we went with a real free market? How do you think it would work
out if there were no weights and measures laws and inspections? How
about dropping licensing requirements for doctors? How about dropping
drug laws relating to purity, sterility and strength? How about dropping
food and meat inspection requirements? How about dropping safety and
licensing rules regarding planes and pilots?
Then how is it that these alternate suppliers can provide power at
10% less than the regular power company here in NJ? Why is it that
that results in everything from fast food to autos at market efficient
prices, is a bad thing when it comes to energy?
On 3/16/2012 9:21 AM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Actually things were working quite well pre-deregulation. Our electric
utility was well run, making a buck, their stock was paying a good
dividend and they provided power at a fair price.
There were numerous players touting "10% savings" in my state but that
was marketing vs reality. If you closely analyzed the savings none
actually provided it over the long term.
I believe there is only one reseller "alternate supplier" left for us to
choose at this point.
"Competition" is about more than just price. We have about twenty
electricity suppliers in my area. They compete on price, sure, but others
offer competitive challenges:
* Pay in advance, no credit check
* "Green" energy
* Raidoactive-free electricity
* 10% Renewable Energy (i.e., whale oil)
* 5% derived from Unicorns on Treadmills
* Every month a 10% off coupon for something you probably don't need (Hair
braiding, VW Bug tune-ups, Kittens, Grease Trap Cleaning, etc.).
On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 06:21:30 -0700 (PDT), " email@example.com"
Why not ask the regulators why they let the power companies screw you?
As a typical homeowner, you've seen very little of what is really
going on. Try buying power for even a small industrial user and
you'll be begging to have the old system back.
How much power will you be using on a daily bases for the duration of
your three year contract?
Then you have scenarios like:
Yes, we know that week you only used 10,000KW per day, but you said
you wee going to use 15,000KW and since you did not notify us 30 days
ahead, we're going to charge you for it anyway.
Oh, you used 18,000KW instead of the 15k contracted. Sure, we supplied
it but we have to charge you this penalty and higher rate.
Natural gas is just as bad. You can get some really low rates in
summer if you have the right contract. That contract though, may
stipulate that you stop using gas completely if they call you at any
time with four hours notice. You must have an alternate source of
energy (usually oil) or you just shot your plant down.
You think maybe some of that might be the result of
govt regulation? For example, it was the Obama administration
that is shoving smart meters down our throats, with the intent
of monitoring your usage and charging different rates based
on what you do, whether you use according to what they think
you should use, etc. And utilities are being forced to buy less
carbon based energy and more renewable. So, it would not
surprise me at all to find out that a good part of what you are
seeing is because of regulation, not de-regulation. There
have been plenty of changes besides partial de-regulation
that have occured in the last couple of decades.
Well, yeah, I guess if you want that low rate, locked in, etc, there
are some conditions that come with it. No surprise there. Are you
claiming if I have a company running glass blowing ovens I can't
just buy nat gas like everyone else, ie not at the locked rate?
No such problems here in NJ and right now nat gas prices are
the lowest they've been in many years.
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