On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 05:54:42 -0700 (PDT), " email@example.com"
Varies by state, but in MA, it was about 8 or 10 years ago it started.
It is not about regulation or de-regulation, it is about who is going
to control the flow and take your money. Why let them utilities have
it when brokerage firms can get in on the act and resellers and
speculators can make millions.
Many ways to buy. If you are a really large user, you may be buying on
a daily basis from whoever offers the best deal of the day or hour.
Cut offs are for the low cost buyer willing to take a risk and be shut
down. This only happens in cold weather when demand goes very high
during a particularly cold period. It is not a matter of having the
gas, it is the ability to move it to where needed. Shut one smallish
industrial boiler down and 100 houses have more to use.
On 3/17/2012 8:54 AM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Not Ed but that is a perfect example of the "free market" at work.
Nothing regulates such contracts. A family member is responsible for
managing the utilities at a facility with mega watt consumption and he
has shown me some of their agreements.
On 03/14/2012 11:32 AM, email@example.com wrote:
You seemed to have answered that question yourself. So did the OP.
Stated rates are always dishonest AFAIK. I don't seen to have ever
received an electric bill that didn't have additional stuff added to it.
I live in one of the few areas where you can't choose, and the rates are
lower. This has no effect on what I said earlier (real rates are higher
than what they SAY they are).
BTW, I haven't yet figured out who's messing with my sig (removing the
newline after my name). It's a file, which has the same line ending
there as after all the other lines.
re: "I don't seen to have ever received an electric bill that didn't
have additional stuff added to it."
Take a look at your cell phone bill.
When you have an all-inclusive plan, there's typically one line for
the cost of the plan and 47 lines of taxes, fees, kickbacks, tolls and
I guess it may be different with your utiltiy. Here in NJ it's
into a charge by the Kwh for the energy generation and a charge
by the Kwh for the delivery. There is an additonal customer charge
of $2.20 per month. None of that seems complicated, hard to
understand or dishonest to me.
As for the OP, I believe he is comparing the charge for just the
electric generation to the total bill. I'm sure on the bill it's
to what a lot of us have reported here, the bill today often contains
two charges which form the core of the usage. One for the
energy generation, one for the delivery to your home. Here it's
about 60% for generation and 40% for delivery. And of course
if you ignore one of them, then the total bill isn't going to look
I guess mine is too easy to be true. For electric service there is an $11
'basic service' charge and a $114.46 'electric kWh' charge. The bill I'm
looking at shows 1376 kWh used giving a per-kW cost of $0.0832 (or about
$0.0912 if you look at it the other way. Pretty cheap compared to most of
what I've seen here. Total utility bill for electric, gas, water, and waste
was $210.05 on the last one received covering February and the beginning of
March for a 2400sf 3BR brick home.
If it makes it less painful, just bend over and take it <grin>. Most
appliances I see which try to calculate electric useage of late, seem
to use 10 or 11 cents kWh. You got me curious now to see how much up
the _ss I'm taking it of late. I'll try to follow up on this post
and report back what I'm paying outside of Houston. We do have a
choice of electric providers around here but IMO they don't differ
2 different items were purchased:
Electricity at $0.06968 / kWh
Delivery Services at $0.07932 / kWh
There's nothing wrong or even misleading on your bill. The cost of a
kWh of electricity is $0.06968.
When you buy something on eBay, did you pay $50 for the item and $6.95
for shipping or did you pay $56.95 for the item?
I submit that you paid $50 *for the item* even though your total cost
It may be nothing more than numerical semantics, but since different
parts of the purchase may be budgeted for and/or taxed differently,
they really do need to be separated out.
In at least some places they can also come from different
suppliers. Here in NJ you have a choice of several companies that
you can choose to purchase the generation portion from. One of
them is the regulated utility that also handles the distribution
The others are independent companies. So even though the same
wires bring the electricity into your house, the source could be one
of the new competitors.
Like you say, I don't see anything shady or confusing about it.
It's very clear on my bill what the two seperate charges are for.
Same where I live. I can buy my electricity and gas from a few
different suppliers, but it always gets delivered by the lone utility
company in the area.
No one has ever been able to explain to me how they know which kWh
hours are mine so that the ones I'm paying for end up in my panel. Are
they bar coded or something?
...or generate it all, sell it to the other company (on paper, of
course) and then deliver it to me.
Since many of these "other companies" simply buy the energy that they
sell on the wholesale market, the same utility that delivers it to me
may have the best wholesale prices at any given time.
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