You know that a large portion of,
a electric cars of kWh will go on a New Road taxes,
for a road repair fund.
Now is see why USA GOV. likes electric cars
for if you to Poor and do not Owen a car.
But we all way be pay that Taxes at a fixed cost,
if you have a car your not!!!!!!!!!
Not in my neck of the woods. Here's my breakdown- [National Grid-
It cost me $185.59 for 1493kWh
Basic service- 15.21
[then + $2 or so for a series of adjustments, assessments, word
salads, taxes and tariffs]
Supply .04633 x 1493 -- $69.17
[and a merchant function and 'ESRM' based on kWh- $8.15]
plus sales tax $3.
So, although they can honestly say they are charging 4.633 cents per
kWh -- I am paying about 12.4 cents-- and will pay most of that if I
use one more kWh.
[and I'm not complaining-- The power grid should be a benevolent,
well regulated monopoly, IMO.]
Check out that 'fixed' cost. It may be for them to 'make power
available', thus when they fail on that contract, you should NOT have
When I lived in California [in one of the mildest climates in the
world] we paid approx $300/mo for electricity for two people in a
house with gas hot water and heating! one fridge, no freezer. I think
they figured out how to charge what the market will bear. The
utilities company got so greedy that they quit repariing and fixing
their infrastructure, so transformers were blowing up regularly and
the slightest windstorm would knock trees down causing power outages.
It was a national disgrace - highest rates with the highest number of
outages in the US.
Anyway, to hype the bill the utilities company started that long list
of itemization with one of those charges for "making available" power
so everytime one of those tiny winds came up and blew down a tree and
we had an outage I DEMANDED A REFUND FOR THAT CHARGE based upon the
fact that they had failed to perform and it is illegal in the US to
collect for services NOT rendered. I got it, $0.06 credit for the
power being off for 24 hours, but once customers started demanding
their money back for failure to perform, suddenly there was money to
repair the infrastructure and the outages diminished to more
acceptable levels. I found out later that the movement to demand
refund cost the utitlities company something in excess of several
$100,000's every event. Probably included employee time to manually
adjust each bill!
Now I live in AZ, where the builders seem to think electricity is
free! the way they put in appliances, lighting, and stuff! Just
noticed that everytime the news starts to carry comments about the
high price of electricity, we suddenly have a power outage. Lasts
about two hours, just long enough to make you panic and realize WE
NEED POWER!, but not long enough time to destroy your food in the
fridge, etc. ...and the news stories stop. Now, you just have to ask
yourself, "Do I believe in coincidences?"
That's the way I figure it (amount of bill / amount used). I skip all
the fake costs (before the add the many fees and taxes). Like your
example, there can be a big difference between what they say the rate is
and what it actually is.
I don't know who the "they" is that you're referring to. But as
someone pointed out earlier, since they reduced some regulation
and invited more competition in many places, it's not unusual
for the electric to be billed in two parts, one for generation and
the other for delivery. You can even choose to buy your electric
generation from multiple sources here in NJ. And the
bill is perfectly clear and easy to understand.
On 3/14/2012 12:32 PM, email@example.com wrote:
We have competition here in PA but it didn't amount to anything since
all of the "competitors" didn't produce electricity and were simply
buying it from our electric utility who has huge excess capacity.
Basically a half dozen resellers popped up and annoyed the crap out of
everyone with constant phone calls with pitches of very minor short term
savings. Just yesterday we got a form letter from the local electric
utility. It is still disingenuous because it is opt out but the letter
stated "we are now required to give you written opportunity to ask us
not to release your contact information to other suppliers"
Deregulation spawned a lot of suppliers that are buying in bulk from
the same people that used to supply us, re-sell the same power we used
to buy and skim off millions of dollars that should be savings in our
These so called power companies are just a desk, phone, and computer
and a big bank account with our money.
On 3/15/2012 11:10 PM, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
At least in my state our former democrat governor was a big proponent of
and the one that trumpeted deregulation when it happened.
Moral of the story? There is no difference between politicians and the
red vs blue stuff is what they do to keep everyone occupied.
Yes. What we got out of utility deregulation in Ohio was the mandate to
still pay high utility bills even when we conserve and reduce the use of
electricity or gas. That's all thanks to the "service" and other charges
added to the bill that are not based upon use. And, of course, there's the
confusion of trying to figure out the best deal (a betting scam?) every few
But there is usually a difference in the why. The Dem probably saw it
as a way to punish a group that had gotten too big by smashing it into
little bitty pieces. The GOP would have done the same thing with a more
People thought cybersex was a safe alternative,
until patients started presenting with sexually
On Mar 15, 11:10 pm, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-
Yes, because it's proven to work, as anyone who has taken even a basic
course in economics knows. Even the libs who have studied economics
know it. But they pretend, because they have ulterior motives.
30 years ago, the local electric company had a highly skilled staff of
maintenance people that worked year round trimming trees back from power
lines and maintaining the lines as well. Power outages were maybe once
every 5 years, if that, and short in duration when they did happen.
With deregulation, the power company had to trim back their workforce
to a skeleton crew. There has been so much cost cutting locally that
line maintenance is almost nonexistant. Power outages caused by storms
are frequent and typically last 48 hours or so.
The bottom line is that any money I might have saved on my electric
bill, I've had to spend triple that running a generator.
Fuck deregulation! Put it back the way it was.
re: "With deregulation, the power company had to trim back their
workforce to a skeleton crew. There has been so much cost cutting
line maintenance is almost nonexistant. "
Tell that to the crew that is replacing a half dozen or so poles in my
I've got 2 ploes in front of my house right now...new and old. Next
week they'll be transferring the wires.
It actually works out great for me since I park right next to the old
pole, which prevented me from opening the passenger side door if I
backed in. They've positioned the new pole far enough away that I
won't have that problem any more.
The only downside is that they cut a huge "U" into a very old pine
tree at the end of the street to open it up for the wires. Someone,
many years ago, had strapped 2 x 4's to the wires where they ran
through the tree so that the wood rested on the branches, not the
wires. Those supports will no longer be needed since the tree crew
removed all of the branches on the inside the tree so that wires hang
Can you say butt-ugly?
On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:34:49 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
I hop you don't have the same crew that did the pole in front of my
house. They came out and measure, marked and had all sort of painted
line and arrows. Then they proceeded to drill right into my sewer
line. Planted the pole and left. It was only a portion of the line
so I had some flow and it took weeks for the backup to happen.
Did they repair it? No, I had to have it done and put in a claim for
the $3500 job.
Sure, but the tree probably should have just been taken down. One of
the problems we have in CT is the tree huggers don't want radical
trimming. They'd rather complain that the power is out and no one came
to fix it yet.
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