but foot operated starters will still relatively common through the
fourties. Just about all had dash mounted push-button or key operated
starters in the fifties.
1948 Olds still had a foot operated starter, so I'm pretty sure your
'38 Chevvie did too.
Hudson/Nash had foot starters up to '55, Stude to '54, and some Chevy
trucks up 'till '59.
As a general rule, MOST vehicles had moved away from the floor mounted
starter by the time they went to 12 volt systems
The dimmer on the floor was pretty well standard on American cars up
into the early '80s and on trucks into the '90s.
And you sound like a hot-dog driver who can't lift his right foot off
the gas and let the vehicle slow down a bit in anticipation of needing
You, Ashton Crusher - are a DANGEROUS driver - and an accident just
waiting to happen...
And it WILL happen. Just a questiopn of when and how serious.
On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:37:36 -0400, email@example.com wrote:
Yeah, If that makes you feel better. Lets go over it again.....
LFB creates GREATER safety all other things being equal. That means
if YOU did exactly what you do now in terms of when you lift your
right foot off the gas, how fast you go, how much following distance
you leave, etc, but made two changes, that you would be able to
create, at no cost, the equivalent of 3 extra car lengths of space in
front of you. Those two changes would be 1 - use your left foot to
brake instead of your right and 2 - move it into position EARLIER then
you normally would lift your right foot off the throttle by about 2 to
That's it in the simplest terms. Now, please explain how my (or you)
adding 3 effective additional car lengths of following distance makes
me a dangerous driver. And don't tell me it's because my feet will
get confused, in decades of driving it has NEVER happened.
On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 08:03:40 -0700 (PDT), jamesgangnc
There seems to be some serious misunderstanding of what left foot
braking is. You don't just put your foot on the brake pedal, or put
your foot over the pedal, and leave it there for the whole time you
are driving. You mostly just have it resting on the floor, just like
you would if you used your right foot. However, when a situation
comes up where you *might* need to brake you get ready to brake by
moving your foot over the pedal, and if you are experienced and
skilled, you might be touching, NOT pressing, the pedal. You might
hold that position for only a few seconds to half a minute. In heavy
traffic you might be moving your foot in and out of that position
several times per mile if the traffic situation warrants. And of
course some of the time you actually apply the brakes. But you don't
just hover your foot over the pedal till your leg goes numb.
Yep, you have said it over, and over, and over repeatedly to the point
of asininity. Thus far you have made zero progress in showing one
iota of advantage to it and have not refuted any of the rebuttals. The
only possible advantage is that fraction of a second reaction and that
only counts in an emergency - when, per you, you don't even have your
foot near the pedal.
For the record, back in the 60s when there _was_ some push for it, I
practiced it for awhile. Gave it up as I could see no reason for it.
Harry, that advantage doesn't exist either. In the described
situation, you or I would have REMOVED our right foot from the gas
pedal. The way Ashton is operating, while he has his left foot
hoovering, he still has his right foot on the gas. So, when it's
time to stop. doing it our way, the throttle is already closed. His
way, he has to take his right foot off the gas pedal and use the left
one to apply the brakes. I'd say having to release the throttle, the
time it takes for the engine to react, etc. easily negates any tiny
margin of time advantage to the left foot method.
I'm having a hard time understanding the use of the word "safety" in
the context of someone who sees traffic conditions that may require an
imminent stop, yet they are going down the road with one foot holding
the throttle open and the other hoovering over the brake. I'd like
to see any online reference that says that is the safer or correct way
You are the one who said "after hours on the road you will relax those
muscles" in regard to them inadvertently pushing on the pedal so
clearly YOU did NOT understand what I said the first several times I
said it. So if anyone is asinine it is you. And the advantage of LFB
has been outlined several times, you just choose to ignore those
advantages (smoother driving, shorter reaction times)
If you tried it and didn't like it that's fine. I have tried RFB
(with AT cars) and could see no reason for it. That said, I have
never attacked those who prefer RFB because of that preference. But
every time LFB gets mentioned it and whoever mentioned it is savagely
attacked, completely out of proportion to any of the alleged defects
in it. The reactions to LFB are really quite interesting.
Probably the best way to defensive drive is to stay off the roads and
highways when some "elitist" know-it-all is practicing his left foot
dance over the brake pedal and consequently following too closely as
he thinks (or knows) that he has an advantage of a couple of seconds
over me in his braking reaction. So, next time you venture forth, post
a sign in your window stating that a LF driver is about.
Please quote where I have ever said I follow closer then anyone else.
The only "elitist" know-it-all's here are harry and clare who claim to
know what's best for everyone else. I've just stated my preference,
I've never said I think you or anyone else is a hazard if you don't do
it my way. But you and harry and clare and a few others keep claiming
ANYONE who LFB is a hazard - you folks are the very epitome of
What you claimed was this:
"I hold my foot in the air for anywhere from perhaps a few seconds to
half a minute. It
moves back and forth between resting next to the pedal and hovering
over the pedal when I want to be ready for braking. It's all just
second nature. If traffic is slowing up ahead my left foot will
shadow the brake without my right foot moving at all and I just
maintain speed. I can easily cut a half second of reaction time if
something happens, which translates to 44 extra feet to stop in at 60
mph and in the process I don't have to jerk the passengers back and
forth taking my right foot off the gas to be ready. "
Faced with that same situation, I would simply take my foot off the
gas pedal and start applying the brakes to increase the
separation. I think Harry and any other driver concerned with
safety would too. I think that is what any driving school today would
teach. Do you disagree? As for jerking the passengers back and
forth, I don't know what kind of vehicles you are driving or how you
drive, but seeing a need to increase separation in traffic, I do it
all the time without jerking anyone around.
You choose to focus on one half of the equation, which is the slight
fraction of a second reaction time advantage having your left foot
hoovering in the air over the brake pedal brings. You completely
ignore the other obvious part, which is doing it your way, you still
have to account for the time it takes your right foot to come off the
gas pedal, the throttle to close, etc. Doing it our way, you are
already slowing down, increasing the separation margin, instead of
hauling ass down the highway maintaining a smaller separation, while
thinking you are safe because you have some stopping distance
advantage. That's why I say your methods are unsafe.
You have a paradox in your theory that is insurmountable which others
have pointed out as well. You admit you only cover the brake when
you think you need the tiny fraction of a second margin you say it
brings. Yet, if it is foreseeable, then instead of covering the
brake, the really safe thing to do is simply slow down right then.
And for the true emergency, your left foot is no closer to the brake
pedal than a right foot driver's. In fact, it may be actually farther
away than a right foot driver's foot that is on the gas pedal.
I also think others who have said the hoovering method can lead to
riding the brakes have a valid point. I see people on the highway
occasionally with the brake lights flashing on and off for no apparent
rational reason. Not a lot, but then there aren't a lot of left foot
brakers either. I personally don't know a single one. I would
suspect that when you use the hoovering method, it's easy to start to
just rest that left foot on the brake pedal. After all, that allows
you to be even safer right? Then your foot is right there on the
brake most or all of the time.
On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 05:15:20 -0700 (PDT), firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
It's really quite simple. Instead of you making up what I do just
listen to what I do. I do exactly what you RFBers do EXCEPT I start
my preparation about half a second, sometimes more, before you do by
moving my LEFT foot into position (half a second+ before you would be
moving your right foot off the gas and over the brake). There's no
difference in following distance compared to you. There IS a
difference in reaction time however, I have at least as 0.2 second
advantage over you, about 20 feet. On the freeway that can easily be
the difference between running into someone and not, you would have
run into them, I would not have.
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