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I suspect that Clare's recreation time consists of a lot of drinking while perusing usenet looking for an argument. He's a expert on just about every subject that comes up. Talk about cars, he's beeen a car mechanic for 50 years. Talk about lawnmowers - 50 years at that. Same with computers. I don't know how he has time for drinking and usenet while working 7 full time jobs.
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Do you recommend walking with your left foot, or right foot?
I see it fairly often. Or worse, a car accelerating away from a light with the brake lights on. My wife hears me mutter "It's a brake pedal, not a foot rest." or "How many miles do you get to the set of pads?". It is even mentioned in the previously cited Car Talk article:
-- Doug
and the LFB will ignore all the reasons _not_ to do it.
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Well, being an all around "expert" _is_ a full time job. After all if you want to be wrong about just about any subject you really have to keep up with the literature.
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So instead of using logic (yours isn't btw) you resort to insults. Got it. When you are loosing, insult the oponent.
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There are lots of kinds of emergencies. Some are the sudden "Oh, my god" type. Yes, they most likely won't be covering the pedal. There is the "This could get ugly" type and they might.
The flip side is what I tell teenagers when they say they are safer drivers because they've got better reaction times. "If you need reaction time to save yourself, you screwed up some time earlier".
I suspect, but can't verify, that LFB reduces the incidence of unintended acceleration due to driver error. So you pays your money and takes your chances.
I doubt there is any correlation between training and LFB/RFB. Obviously from this discussion, some of the best trained drivers LFB. But the simple fact is nearly all drivers are poorly trained, especially when it comes to car handling.
As folks have mentioned, it is easy to use your feet differently in different contexts. You don't get confused about driving vs. walking vs. flying an airplane or riding a motorcycle. I've always been mildly surprised that there is enough difference in context between driving a stick vs. an automatic that I
*never* get confused. I mean never in 40 years of going back and forth. YMMV.I've found the discussion interesting. At least the civil parts of it. I've learned that the reaction time benefits are less than I've thought. I've decided that if I were running a driving school for new drivers, I'd teach RFB. I've also decided that I am going to continue to LFB my automatics. So if you see a brown '95 Ford Explorer in Dallas, watch out.
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Douglas Johnson wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:
then that's not exactly an "emergency",but an expected possibility.
OTOH,reaction time is stil necessary. I see many drivers who lack it. Mine has saved at least two dogs. 8-)
I respectfully disagree.
you brought it up in an earlier post,about you having training.
easy for you to SAY it....
Completely different tasks.Not relevant.
well,good driving,Doug.
Douglas Johnson wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:
Ah,because Ashton doesn't see it,it must not happen....
I don't need to "make up" stuff. I just mention what I observe. that's how I base my opinions,on 40 years of observed behavior. I can't help it if other people are not observant,or have memory problems.
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Ashton, I've driven STANDARD SHIFT cars with left foot braking in competition - I know what is involved and my feet work well together when it is done for that purpose. The brain needs to be well engaged when doing it, and it has NOTHING to do with reaction time and stopping.
I've also left foot braked front drive automatic cars for the same purpose. On low powered automatics it is not as effective, and with ABS it doesn't work at all. The practice of jabbing the brake with the left foot to hang out the rear on a front drive car in competition started with Saab drivers, where the hand brake acting on the FRONT wheels of the front drive car, could not be used to break the rear end loose to slide it through the corners. Then guys like Colin found it was easier to do it even on cars with rear hand brakes because it freed up one hand.
Left foot braking an automatic car on the street is a poor and dangerous practice.
Except the Saxomat was never sold on a VW in North America. As far as I know it was not sold in ANYTHING in North America We didn't get Borgward, Goliath, Trabant, DKW, GLAS, NSU, and Wartburg over here, and no '61-66 1800 Fiats or Saab 93s with "automatic" transmissions.
The true Saxomat did have an centrifical clutch. The VW Autostick as sold in North America between roughly 1965 and
1968 did NOT.
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I said you were talking about a different system. SAXOMAT was NEVER installed on a VW destined for North America. PERIOD.
So YOU are 100% wrong. Every "semi-automatic" VW in North America was an "auto-stick" which used a solenoid controlled vacuum operated clutch and a fluid torque converter.
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Read EXACTLY what I said, and not what you wish I said. I was, and remain 100% correct and you, as usual, remain 1000% wrong, but convinced in your hazy little mind that you are somehow correct.
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Well, then, by any chance were your parents first cousins?
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Third, twice removed.
Thanks for falling into my trap. In the same way, just because YOU can't successfully LFB you think it can't be done, must not happen. See how that works.
Of course he's not. I purposely baited you antiLFBers to show you how silly you are when you claim ANYONE who LFBs is some dangerous driver. The worst that can be said is that there aer some people who LFB who aren't very good at it. Same can be said about RFB, I'm sure plenty of them have lots of accidents that could have been avoided had they learned to LFB.
The LFB has heard them all before and knows they are nonsense for HIM/HER. If YOU are not capable of LFB then of course you should not do it. It's similar to how they used to teach in drivers ed that SAFE drivers ALWAYS had their hands at 10 and 2 on the steering wheel. That's just they way it ALWAYS was. EVERYONE knew you HAD to keep your hands there to be SAFE. Along comes airbags and suddenly 9 and 3 are just fine. The truth is, it never mattered where you put your hands within reason and everyone needed to find their own personal sweet spot. Just like any other aspect of driving there are many ways to accomplish the same tasks. Some ways are better then others but not necessarily for everyone.
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You can make unsupported statements of OPINON as many times as you want but it doesn't turn it into anything other then YOUR opinion. LFB on the street is a very safe and very effect way to engage in defensive driving and as a side benefit it allows for smoother driving if you are interested in the comfort of your passengers. It does require a higher level of training and skill and consequently not many people do it. That is not simply opinion, the PHYSICS of how it is applied, by the info posted here by others, shows at a minimum there is a gain of 0.2 seconds (equivalent to nearly 20 feet at 60 mph, a common freeway speed) if the only thing you do is drive EXACTLY like a RFB except that you move your left foot into position half a second sooner then you/they would have moved your/their right foot into position. That is the MINIMUM gain from LFB and has nothing to do with MY opinion or anyone else's, it's just a FACT.
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It's really quite simple. Instead of you making up what I do just listen to what I do. I do exactly what you RFBers do EXCEPT I start my preparation about half a second, sometimes more, before you do by moving my LEFT foot into position (half a second+ before you would be moving your right foot off the gas and over the brake). There's no difference in following distance compared to you. There IS a difference in reaction time however, I have at least as 0.2 second advantage over you, about 20 feet. On the freeway that can easily be the difference between running into someone and not, you would have run into them, I would not have.
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