In older houses (like mine) many sewers are plumbed with 2ft clay tiles, one
end has a bell shape and the male end fits in the bell.....tree roots can
readily penetrate this type of drain line.....luckily the neighbors Popular
tree decided to croak and no longer plugs my line annually although said
tree just dropped a rather large branch on another neighbors roof (Big
tree)......the sweet lady whom originally planted the trees (since deceased)
in 1966 had not idea such little twigs could get so big....Rod
Yes, sewer piping has to be compromised for tree roots to get in. The City
of Durham, NC has some interesting info and offers another solution besides
snaking or augering the roots out:
"Tree roots are opportunistic. While they will not crack a sound sewer
service or water line, they will exploit cracks or failures in the lines.
The best defense against having tree roots in lines is to make sure that
your lines are in good condition and that they're not cracked. If you
suspect that tree roots are growing into your sewer line, you can have the
roots cut out using a process called "rodding". You can also flush Copper
Sulfate down the toilet two to three times per year to prevent roots from
growing into sewer lines. Copper Sulfate is an inexpensive chemical that can
be purchased at most hardware stores."
BTW, I've heard that copper sulfate is quite effective.
Common sense like you wrote a earlier?
"one of my evil dreams is to buy a house on Main Street in
Hingham, paint it orange and black, with a nice loud Harley parked in
the tin shed out front "
And she wonders why we have laws! Did someone mention that you would be a
A humorous neighbor, anyone but you would know I was joking. But
you're so bent on hating everything about me you're blind to it. Like
I said, get over yourself. Quit proving you are the one who would be
'hideous' to live next to.
Ann, gardening in Zone 6a
South of Boston, Massachusetts
"But see, one of my evil dreams is to buy a house on Main Street in
Hingham, paint it orange and black, with a nice loud Harley parked in
the tin shed out front - the apoplexic fits thrown would be worth the
price of admission ;->"
Oh, hahahahaha. It's still one of our evil dreams.
I assure you, if this is a town of old, there are laws on the books which will
dictate what colors you can use on homes in historical districts. I remember
watching This Old House when it was a great show, (poor show) and one house in
Mass went through massive hoops, problems, historical boards, and other
limitations so they could paint their home, or put in a gateway so they could
park off the street, etc. Not everybody lives on an acre zoned rule. I suppose
that's a rule which is fine. I wonder if said acre owner wanted to sub-divide
if then,that would be the issue which breaks the camels back.
Hypotheticals are so delicious....since one can easily craft one on demand
to prove or disprove any particular point pro or con..... Case in point
would said car still bother you quite as much if the neighbor after your 5
years of suffering silently thanked you profusely for being such a mellow
non complaining neighbor and handed you a million dollars?
Obviously some people wish to have absolute control over each and everything
of everybody else and I suppose even want someone controlling them...whereas
others think life is meant to be a little messy... sometimes good and
occasionally not to our liking but with no desire for rules and laws
attempting to regiment a "perfect life".... Rod
Actually, in many places trees in the front yard are not on someone's
property - they're on city property. Check out your lot lines, you may
be surpised how much of the city's property you're taking care of.
And while I believe in freedom to my own thing, and you to do yours, if
I interfere with your peace and enjoyment of your property or
vice-versa, even if I do what I do entirely on my own property (or you
on yours), then you have a legitimate grievance (and vice versa).
Freedom to my own thing ends where your right to peace and quiet begins.
And vice versa.
Then there is the genral rule that trees in the city are good for
everybody, not just those on whose property they happen to grow. So
everybody has an interest in preserving them (or cutting them down if
they get dangerously rotten, etc.)
The closer we live together, and the more of us live together in one
place, the less individual freedom there can be. Aren't you glad you
live in a society that believes that the nmecessary compromises should
be governed by law, and not imposed by bute force?
Not a totally bad idea, for two reasons:
1) People sometimes think they can cut down huge trees without the help of a
professional. But, there's a certain order in which to do these things, to
assure that falling branches don't cause problems. To use the analogy of a
building permit, which most people accept, why not have a permit process for
removing trees? Let's face it: A significant portion of the population is
just plain stupid. Sounds like a good idea to have someone knowledgable stop
by, interview the budding lumberjack, and make sure they have a proper plan
in place for 1000 lb chunks of falling wood. I also think it would be wise
if the permit required the lumberjack to pay every single penny of a
neighbor's property damage. Override their deductible, in other words. Most
decent people would offer this, but some people aren't decent.
2) A library is a place where OTHER people go to read about trees and
plants. So, we have people who MIGHT want to take down a tree for the wrong
reasons, after doing absolutely zero research. Example: When I moved to my
new house last September, the old lady across the street came over and said
EXACTLY this: "Hi...my name is Helen. Let me tell you about that stupid tree
of mine, before it upsets you". Her "problem" is an ancient sycamore which
has the nerve to drop bark on her lawn all the time. At certain times of
year, it blows across the street to my property. I don't mind. That's what
sycamores do, like lobsters moulting. But, she is convinced that the tree is
diseased, and that 3 tree services and a guy from the township are
withholding information from her. She's probably telling other people that
*I* am in error, too, by telling her that the tree is normal.
So, why not have someone from the town stop by, find out her reasons for
removing the tree, and if the problem is "mess" or "maintenance", see if the
neighbors like the tree enough to pitch in now and then? If not, give her
the permit. My crazy neighbor has a lawn guy who handles leaves & bark, but
if she didn't, I'd be happy to wander over there and rake up the bark. Tree
saved, problem solved.
Why should this matter to you? A big shade tree is worth however many tons
of air conditioning. The number doesn't matter, but it's large. Got any idea
how much heat is radiated by an unshaded blacktop driveway? Which magical,
easily replaceable and 100% clean source to you get electricity from?
Requiring the taxpayers to hire a tree nanny because some people are
too dumb to know how to safely cut down a tree can be extended to the
myriad of things that people are dumb about. Follow that logic and we
have a town hall full of tree nannies, snowblowing nannies, water
garden nannies, etc. Pretty soon you need to pass a test before you
can buy a Felco pruning tool.
I think that we have plenty of lawyers at the ready with liability
suits. No need for additional permit requirements to enforce
Yup, ignorant people do dumb things. "Momma always said, 'stupid is
as stupid does'" - Forrest Gump I am not willing to pay taxes to keep
the ignorant from doing what they do, I just cannot afford that much.
Of course I care. But that does not necessarily translate into more
laws, more bureacrats and more taxes.
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