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Did I miss a memo?
- - LRod
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
Same one everybody did, seems like Vito got a wild hair. Strikes me like a lousey idea. Dave in Fairfax
If you're going to comment on this thread, please check that your follow-ups are at least x-posted to news.groups, which is the correct place to discuss RFDs. If they're not, then they can tend to get lost from sight of the official process.
But yes, it's a lousy idea. I also _really_ don't like the idea of two self-appointed moderators who don't even have real email address. One is a lurker who has barely posted and the other is completely unknown. Why not just call it rec.woodworking.me.me.me ?
dave in Fairfax wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@fairfax.com:
Amen to what Dave & LRod said. Completely civilized is usually boring.
I filter out all kinds of crap in analog life. My own filters. Why should digital life be any different?
Patriarch
I think we may just get an answer to the burning question "what if they made a whiney net-nanny's group and nobody came?"
Mike Patterson Please remove the spamtrap to email me. "I always wanted to be somebody...I should have been more specific..." - Lily Tomlin
Ditto.
Every moderated NG I've seen either stunk or died when the moderator lost interest. They were all slow to post, reminding me of the old Fidonet groups.
Has this "Vito" ever posted here about woodworking?
I also don't see how eBay and For Sale posts for tools or equipment are hurting this group. Maybe Vito can be the king of his own Yahoo group.
I prefer self-moderation. Filters and proxies are available for free if someone wants them. Heck, Robert B. even graciously writes proxy rules for those who can't or don't want to!
Barry
Tue, Sep 7, 2004, 12:37am (EDT+4) snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com (Vito=A0Kuhn) skipped his meds:
I bet you'd try to suck the fun out of a rock.
JOAT A clear case of sub-optimization with respect to the ratio of effort to enhanced effects.
- Myki
Attaboy:
I make it a point, with this exception and occas stupidity, to not x-post. I doubt that this group that Vito is longing for will ever get off the ground, even ssuming it gets a "yes" vote. He has managed to miss the point and the ethos of this NG, which along with RCW is one of the few left that has common decency as a core value and pleasant give and take as a manner. Take a look at the wRECk and you see the remnants of the the older porch and pond. why would we want to give that up for a sterile serving of pablum. Thanks for catching the extra e BTW. %-)
Dave in Fairfax
According to Google Groups, our pal Vito posted fairly regularly throughout the first half of '02, then disappeared. Mysteriously on Sept 4 a handful of utterly contentless posts (much like this one) appeared with his name.
As far as I can tell, Susan Welchel has never posted here.
Good luck, Vito, old boy. I'll be staying right here if you don't mind.
There are numerous ways to filter out the junk. Many applications are very effective. Personally, I dislike moderated groups although they might be of value to some people. A moderator may omit posts which are actually related to woodworking, and I tend to read "slightly off" topic posts (remember the shop dog that passed away?) Plus, moderated groups delay posts and I occasionally I appreciate quick responses.
I too dislike moderated newsgroups. Even normally fair moderators can occasionally act against the best interest of the group (everyone has his/her own agenda now and then). I can filter out people I don't want to hear from pretty effectively even with OE. I prefer I have that control rather than some moderator I don't know and have no way to judge.
Do you really want someone else deciding what you can read? That's what a moderated Ng is.
If you want that, there are thousands of email lists and forums that are moderated and the owner/moderator can decide for you what you are allowed to read, and you will never even know what you might have missed.
Barely posted is right. DAGS of Groups and Web shows nothing except the current proposal.
I too think the idea is a non-starter.
Seems like we have an answer to the question, "Who died and made you newsgroup monitor?" ;-)
More seriously, it will be interesting to see if very many respond to this request positively. rec.ww has its own unique flavor, but it is akin to a real-world shop, where people talk about all sorts of things in addition to the wood project de' jour.
To summarize: I don't think a new group such as this would be very interesting, nor a very good idea.
I don't see any need for it either. My filters seem to keep the crap down to a dull roar.
Simple, succinct, eloquent -- I love it! :-)
Much better than the wordy response I came up with.
Most of my filters for rec.woodworking haven't been used for 60 - 90 days. The OT threads are usually clearly labelled as such if I wanted to filter them out.
So we have a proposal that no one has spoken in favor of, proposed by two people who have little record on usenet (one who hasn't posted on rec.woodworking since mid-2002 and one who according to Google has
*never* posted on usenet) and no experience moderating a newsgroup.I doubt it will even get to a 2nd RFD.
ha ha, that's funny
This group is one of the most intolerant groups that I frequent. RW is having a lull at the moment since some of the worst are away, but this group has zero tolerance for disagreement and our esteemed cabinetmaker ret. was one of the worst.
On top of that, there are a percentage of idiots here who just cannot help but respond to every spam, OT and troll post that comes through.
The only way to stomach this place for more than a few days is heavy use of filters and killfiles.
Having said all that, I would still oppose a moderated group... there are plenty of web forums for people who want that sort of stuff.
This is right up there with the censorship pushed through by a bunch of idiots that controls political ads by citizens within 30-60 days of anelection.
Gary Newman wrote: a bunch of crap
A Google shows you never posted here before. A sock puppet perhaps? Dave in Fairfax
dave in Fairfax:
lol, thanks for proving my point
That's right Dave, you are arguing with yourself and now you have outed yourself, must be a split personality.
You obviously have no clue what a sockpuppet is, but if commenting without a clue were a crime, several people here would be in jail.
Get out of ignorance free card, do not pass go, do not get your chisels sharpened...
sock puppet
n. [Usenet: from the act of placing a sock over your hand and talking to it and pretending it's talking back] In Usenet parlance, a pseudo through which the puppeteer posts follow-ups to their own original message to give the appearance that a number of people support the views held in the original message.
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