Re: RFD: rec.woodworking.moderated moderated

[dave in Fairfax]

Gee, and here I was thinking that you might be an incarnation of BAD. I know what a sock puppet is, I'm just not sure that you aren't one. Have fun. Dave in Fairfax

[Doug Miller]

[snipped]

He might be, but he's not BAD -- unless the BADboy changed ISPs, newsservers,

*and* newsreaders.

-- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)

Get a copy of my NEW AND IMPROVED TrollFilter for NewsProxy/Nfilter by sending email to autoresponder at filterinfo-at-milmac-dot-com You must use your REAL email address to get a response.

[ru.igarashi]

Web forum are not the same as usenet forums. Some folks prefer usenet over web forums from a technical standpoint. The issue at hand is whether an existing topic space, with existing readership, can be made usable (again), not whether it should be moved off usenet. Sometimes, when the readership proves to have too little discipline, moderation is the only solution left. Whether it proves to be a viable solution can only be determined by trying it (starting with whether it can manage to get to a vote).

ru

[Guy Macon]

Dear Woodworkers:

news.groups is for discussions about the creation of new newsgroups.

If you have a comment about whether to create rec.woodworking.moderated please post it to rec.woodworking and news.groups.

If you have a comment about anything else, please post it to rec.woodworking only without crossposting it to news.groups.

We have a job to do, and do not need the additional noise from you crossposting your flamewars here.

Thanks in advance for helping.

[Mark & Juanita]

At issue here is whether rec.ww is un-usable (now). I suspect the concensus, with a few exceptions will be that it is not un-usable as it currently stands.

[Dave Hinz]

...and learned speling and grammar...

[Dave Hinz]

The .moderated group was brought up by a non-participant of the rec.woodworking newsgroup for unknown reasons. As such, discussing that person's non-participation in the group is relevant to the discussion.

Do you have a FAQ which talks about the foolishness of creating a moderated group when the person suggesting same is unlikely to be a positive influence in the process? That'd be helpful. Serious question - I've seen many groups where a .moderated is created by someone with an agenda, and the .moderated group languishes and dies because of non-participation.

[John McCoy]

[e-mail] wrote in news:chnljh$i45$ [e-mail]:

You have slightly jumped the gun here, ru. The question of whether the existing topic space is unusable has not been determined (and I would say the evidence is that the current group is very usable, hence the trend to oppose creating a .mod group).

John

[patriarch]

Mark & Juanita wrote in news: [e-mail]:

Those who find currently unusable now are likely taking a break, and may, or may not, return.

So it goes with most of life's activities. I wish parts of them were more civilized, too, but nobody really wants me to be the moderator for THAT forum.

I don't want the job, either.

Patriarch

[Guy Macon]

Actually, the proposed moderator's non-participation in the group is relevant to the discussion, but the proponent's non-participation is irrelevant. Iit shouldn't matter who makes the proposal; the proposal stands or falls on it's own merits. The moderator, on the other hand, will have total control over the group, and thus discussing his character, abilities, and commitment is very much on-topic.

Please keep your discussion related to the proposal when you crosspost to news.groups and please don't crosspost to news.groups when you are enaging in generalized flaming.

No, because it doesn't matter who suggests the name.

In those cases, the correct thing to do is to attack the proposal, not the proponent.

[Bard]

Well there is not one FAQ that says foolish as I recall, however there are two FAQs that discuss moderated groups.

in my sig is a link to n.g FAQ, that points to creation process in the big-8

Hopes this helps some.

[dave in Fairfax]

Hi Doug, I figured that HWSNBN might be feeling deprived and have done just that. Conversley, I have 3 ISP's, 2 OS's and run 4 browsers, depending on what I'm doing. So I don't put it against anybody else to do the same or even more.

Dave in Fairfax

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN]

"Speling" ?

[Edwin Pawlowski]

OK, I'll help. If someone wants to have a moderated woodworking newsgroup,.let them. There are thousands of useless (IMO) groups that I don't participate in. I would not participate in a moderated newsgroup of any subject. Moderation ranks right up there with book burning. I don't like censorship in my conversations.

I'll just continue using rec.woodworking as in the past. Ed [e-mail]

[Mark & Juanita]

If you will check the proposal, the proposed moderator and the proponent are one and the same entity; thus the discussion of both is equivalent and thus germaine to the topic at hand.

[Larry Jaques]

--snip--

Just to be OT: Relax, breathe, and read this:

Jewish Zen

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Be here now. Be someplace else later. Is that so complicated, already?

Wherever you go, there you are. Your luggage, another story.

Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkes!

Be patient and achieve all things. Be impatient and achieve all things faster.

There is no escaping karma. In a previous life, you never called, you never wrote, you never visited. And whose fault was that?

The Buddha taught that one should practice loving kindness to all sentient beings. Still, would it kill you to find a nice sentient being who happens to be Jewish?

Let your mind be as a floating cloud. Let your stillness be as the wooded glen. And sit up straight. You'll never meet the Buddha with such round shoulders!

To practice Zen and the art of Jewish motorcycle maintenance, do the following: Get rid of the motorcycle. What were you thinking??

Drink tea and nourish life. With the first sip, joy. With the second, satisfaction. With the third, Danish.

If there is no self, whose arthritis is this?

Be aware of your perceptions. Be aware of your body. But not every physical sensation is a symptom of a terminal illness.

To find the Buddha, look within. Deep inside you are ten thousand flowers. Each flower blossoms ten thousand times. Each blossom has ten thousand petals. You might want to see a specialist.

The Tao has no expectations. The Tao demands nothing of others. The Tao does not speak. The Tao does not blame. The Tao does not take sides. The Tao is not Jewish.

Breathe in. Breathe out. Breathe in. Breathe out. Forget this and attaining Enlightenment will be the least of your problems.

[Mike in Idaho]

For what it's worth I'm not particularly opposed to a moderated woodworking newsgroup, but I wouldn't visit it if it did exist. The reason is I occasionally enjoy the off topic comments (especially Tom Watson's stories for example) and the flame wars can go nicely with lunch too ;) And I'm always looking for a bargain so the occasional FS and FA postings generate a click from me. They're easily ignored if I want to and that's okay too.

I prefer rec.woodworking as is and not a watered down version. So, now that I've blathered on, if you're wanting to know if this is a vote for, against, or an abstain, since there hasn't been much support for one (I wouldn't stand in the way) I'll vote no for now.

Thanks, Mike

[Bill Rogers]

Sorry I missed the original posting. However, I have major problems with a moderated group. The moderator sits on a very high horse. Having no other choice, I'd rather put up with the B.S. that is easily filtered out as the alternative. A good newsreader allows you to list according to headers in the same thread, so they are all lumped together, and readily deleted.

That said, the OT posters are still the most ignorant people I have ever had the displeasure to meet. They are totally arrogant and self-serving, and common courtesy is not in their vocabulary. There is no need for them to post completely OT, even if labelled as such. They do it, like little children and spammers, simply to show that they can. It shows clearly their mentality. If they had more than one brain cell between them they'd be able to form their own discussion group elsewhere. That done, there'd be a lot more decent people posting relevant topics for discussion, making this newsgroup what it should be; informative about woodworking.

So, no moderation, but those responsible for the OT crap should know that they are seen to be as stupid and ignorant as they make themselves out to be. Now watch for their intelligent replies.

Bill.

[patriarch]

Larry Jaques wrote in news: [e-mail]:

Thanks, Larry!

[Guy Macon]

I realize that they are the same person in this case. I was encouraging the woodworkers to use the correct "this moderator stinks! vote no!" instead of the incorrect "this proponemt stinks! vote no!." (note: I have no opinion as to whether the proponent/ moderator actually stinks. I am just advising those wh think he does.)