What has your experience been with random combinations of toxic fumes
that you may never have been warned about? It might be helpful to others
to know about them. Of course, common sense would tell you to ventilate
adequately, but the degree of effects that these combinations might have
could possibly disable you before you could react. For example, I had a
fire going in a wood stove in a closed garage and spilled a can of formica
adhesive. I immediately developed a severe headache and became so dizzy
I fell to my knees and had to crawl out the door. Bad combination. And
everybody knows enough not to use a kerosene heater without ventilation,
There's a list of ingredients and cautions on that can, and an MEDS for the
ingredients if you're not sure what they do.
Generally speaking, contact cements of the old type feature some real light
ketenes and dainties like toluene as solvents and to speed tacky time. They
can get to you quickly, especially if you're not drawing a lot of air
through the chimney (and replacing it from outdoors) with that woodstove.
the worst experience I had was when I naively used a cutting
torch on a large sheet of galvanized metal. Not until much
later did I find out about heating galvanized metal would
produce poisonous fumes. I got immediately nauseated. Live
I've also been exposed to phosgene gas on a number of
occasions, but that's an issue I KNEW was hazardous, but
Or not. I think that BUB's point was, "If I can learn without the toxic
consequences, I'll be better off."
Some folks don't recover from these 'learning experiences'.
who doesn't want to win a Darwin...
Heating galvy isn't a health risk. Using a cutting torch
on it can be. It's zinc that is the galvy part. Melt it
and it gives of zinc oxide fumes. Inhale those fumes and
the zinc gets into your system at much higher levels
than is good for you and hard to purge.
I did lost wax casting of jewelry and small sculpture.
Learned very early on that brass has zinc in it and
bronze doesn't so you don't melt brass. There are
also some bronzes that when melted give off toxix
fumes - berylium (sp?) bronze gets very fluid
and will let you cast very delicate details - BUT the
fumes can mess you up.
In general, the better the ventilation, the lower
the risk of fumes doing you in. If you have to
have fumes in an enclosed space - WEAR A
MASK that's capable of filtering out the bad
stuff or better yet - a hood with air from
And remember that a lot of fumes are flammable.
In an enclosed space with an exposed flame like
a Water Heater or room heater you're also creating
all the ingredients for a BIG BOOM! Even a spark
from a window fan can set things off. And this
isn't limited to volatile liquids creating explosive
fumes. Fine airborn saw dust - in sufficient
concentrations can be just as explosive. If you're
lucky, it'll only be a flash fire and you'll end up
with the sun burned look rather than the shredded
and charred look.
It ain't just the sharp stuff that can get you
so let's be careful out there - please
I used an oxyacetylene torch. Mucho fumes. I was working
in a fairly open area: 2,500 square foot shop with one wall
open completely to the outside (roll up doors).
Thought of you when I scary sharped a chisel today.
On 07 Jul 2004 12:16:22 GMT, email@example.com (BUB 209) wrote:
My dumb one was cleaning a shower (no chance of ventilation) with
C-L-R to get rid of the lime and scale and then following up with
bleach to get rid of the skin oil stains. Hmmm, why are my eyes
burning? Hmm, acid and bleach? What does that produce? Why, chlorine
gas, of course.
Now I always wear a respirator when I clean the shower (boy do I look
stupid; starkers with rubber gloves and a respirator), although I try
to avoid using the bleach anymore, too.
Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite
Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999
You learned the same lesson a woman on a recent call I had learned - dried
up cleanser residue containing bleach, in her case, and ammonia to wipe the
glass. Was the bluest person I had ever seen who was still alive. Still
is, but it was touch and go for about 15 minutes.
Bleach is an acid, of course. As is the CLR (HCl, is it?) lime is a base.
Ummm.... no, it's not. At a pH of 12, it's a fairly caustic _base_.
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I've had people stare at me while I'm mowing my yard but since I'm over 40 I
don't care. <g> My outfit:
- Pants tucked into army boots. (Why have something catch in your pants
leg while operating something that wants to take your toes off?)
- Safety glasses. (About once a month in the summer something flies up
from the mower & hits me in the face. Why risk the eyes?)
- Mining hard hat (Hard hat with muff-style hearing protectors.) (When
mowing around low-hanging branches I'll often bang my head. Wearing the
hard hat keeps blood out of the eyes. ;-) Hearing protection keeps my head
from ringing after I'm done.)
If it is dusty I'll wear a nose & mouth filter too.
I'm honestly surprised I haven't seen my picture in the local weekly wipe.
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