OT: Another BLACK eye for McCain

[Fred the Red Shirt]

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I'll try to remember to do that a little later in the week.

I'm also interested.

FF

[Fred the Red Shirt]

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They piss off Archer-Daniels_Midland.

[Fred the Red Shirt]

Is there some reason I should believe they were guests there? What did he blow up in this country?

Same questions.

Last I heard his Obama was involved in some civic organization which Ayers was also involved with, independently of Ayers, and many years after Ayers' involvment with the SDS. Ayers may have also donated to Obama's campaign, pretty much anybody can. I am not aware of them working together at present or back when Ayers was breaking the law. But fill me in on what details you have.

Haven't heard of her.

Same questions. Plus, being Catholic, I'm strongly disinclined to criticize others based on their clergy.

Same questions, plus, who fired her?

Same questions as immediately above.

Could you please spell out 'LGF'?

What did he blow up?

Links:

link is garbled.

[depictureboy]

Shouldnt be eating so much grain anyway, thats part of whats making us all so fat.

[Joe AutoDrill]

I don't know about you, but I'm fat from the volume I eat, not *what* I eat...

No self control after 6:00 PM... :(

[Lew Hodgett]

Does "Enron" ring a bell?

Lew

[Lew Hodgett]

Actually, corn ethanol is getting a lot of bad press.

The corn used has only two (2) other markets.

1)Fructose.

2)Cattle feed.

It is not a human food source as grown.

An interesting footnote is that there is a by-product of the ethanol manufacturing process that is used as a cattle feed supplement.

Remember the old saying, "..everything but the squeal"?

Lew

[B A R R Y]

Isn't that an ingredient in many prepared foods?

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[J. Clarke]

A specious argument. The same land can grow other crops that humans can consume. If the cost of cattle feed rises, the cost of beef rises. Corn doesn't grow at random, somebody decides what to plant based on the profit he thinks he can make from selling it. If there's more profit in field corn for ethanol production than in sweet corn for human consumption then the farmers plant field corn and there's less sweet corn to go around and so the price of that rises, further if the price paid by the fuel producers is higher than that paid by the cattle ranchers, then the price of cattle feed rises, and so the price of beef rises, and either way the price of food rises.

[Doug Miller]

Not nearly enough IMHO. :-)

Not correct. Fructose is in fact a human food source; spend a little time reading labels, and you'll be surprised how many of your foods contain fructose, often in the form of "high fructose corn syrup."

And of course while the corn fed to cattle is not itself a human food source directly, the meat, milk, and cheese obtained from the cattle certainly are.

[Lew Hodgett]

Fructose: AKA: Cheap Sugar.

Basic ingredient in soft drinks and a lot of other junk foods.

Basic contributor to the obesity epidemic being seen in the young right now.

Lew

[Ralph]

The land used for this corn is land taken out of production of other food stuffs.

[Dave in Houston]

Robatoy did NOT write it; I did.

Start checking labels on most any processed foods, Lew. I think you'll be shocked to see just how much corn and corn by-products go into our food supplies, corn fructose sweetener being one of the biggest uses.

Dave in Houston

[Dave in Houston]

Which means a reduction in the supply of those commodities and a corresponding rise in price per unit along with it.

Dave in Houston

[Lew Hodgett]

It's not called "The Pepsi Generation" for nothing.

Don't sell good marketing programs short.

Both Coke and Pepsi probably have marketing and advertising programs that are the major cost component of their product.

Lew

[Upscale]

Secondary argument. The basic contributor is lack of exercise. Sugar has been around for thousands of years. It was the effort need to harvest it that kept most people thin, that is until the mechanized generation appeared.

[Dave in Houston]

IIRC the body doesn't convert fructose [sweetener] as readily as it can other sugar forms meaning that somehow or another [nutritionally] it is not particularly good for you. Apparently, it is significantly cheaper such that that the soft drink bottlers need it to profit in a highly competitive market. I've never gotten around to finding any but have been told for years that Coca Cola that is kosher for Passover is to die for. Account corn products are forbidden during Passover Coke that is kosher for Passover is made with real cane sugar. Or something like that.

Dave in Houston

[Robatoy]

Oy vay!

[Doug Miller]

While you're certainly right that the basic factor is lack of exercise, sugar hasn't been as plentiful, historically, as you think. Cane won't grow in cold climates, and it's only in the last two centuries that a significant portion of the world's sugar has come from beets.

[Mark & Juanita]

Fine. Vote for a candidate whose great uncle helped liberate Auschwitz

yeah, the MSM covering for him again indicates he simply mis-spoke. Just to make that excuse a little harder, this isn't the first time he has done so: and who apparently sees dead people: they have an agenda, but you can watch the video -- this guy doesn't even realize that Memorial Day is set aside to honor the war *dead*)

There are several things that are funny about this. 1) Yeah, everybody makes mistakes from time to time. This guy is making more gaffes than Dan Quayle ever did. 2) When Quayle made a gaffe, or when McCain made a mistake regarding Sunni's vs. Shiite, it was all over the media, over and over. In Obama's case, how much coverage do these gaffes get?

Like I say, you want to vote for him, go ahead. I really don't give a rip anymore. We're going to get the government people ask for. Just don't gripe as you see your real freedoms taken and your personal fortunes garnished by a voracious government.