I know of a few examples in this area where hard working families
slugged it out to have a few quality stores which serviced the
community quite well. Many plowed a lot back into the community.
Many did a lot of work through service clubs. The families did well
because they filled a need.
One of them would drive an hour to another town and back every other
morning at 4 AM so that his customers could have a fresher banana.
Sometimes, on his way back, he'd stuff a few bananas in the mailbox of
some customers who he felt should stay in that day because the weather
Meanwhile, his own kids were shopping at the huge K-Mart
SuperMegaGinormous Centre across the river. It ain't fair and it ain't
Very few give a fark about values any more.
*cues some vinyl LP*
"Soon the pines will be falling everywhere
Village children fight each other for a share
And the 6:09 goes roaring past the creek
Deacon Lee prepares his sermon for next week
I saw grandma yesterday down at the store
Well she's really going fine for eighty four
Well she asked me if sometime I'd fix her barn
Poor old girl she needs a hand to run the farm
And it's good old country comfort in my bones
Just the sweetest sound my ears have ever known
Just an old-fashioned feeling fully-grown
Country comfort's in a truck that's going home
Down at the well they've got a new machine
The foreman says it cuts man-power by fifteen
Yeah but that ain't natural well so old Clay would say
You see he's a horse-drawn man until his dying day
Now the old fat goose is flying cross the sticks
The hedgehog's done in clay between the bricks
And the rocking chair's creaking on the porch
Across the valley moves the herdsman with his torch"
What isn't fair, right and what does values have to do with paying more or
paying less or shopping in one place or another? In my Dad's youth my
neighborhood had a small grocery store on virtually every corner, in the
days of little refrigeration and few cars people shopped daily...they also
spent over 40% of their income on basic food.... they had few choices on
brands, products or price but often as not a really cool shopkeeper whom
gave the kids penny candy and the family some credit through the bad
times........compared to a modern store with endless aisles of every product
imaginable, choices galore and a price point only taking 15-20% of a
families income......Life is full of trade offs and for every gain (price)
there are certain loses (friendly shopkeeper) but fair has nothing to do
with it....and you can if you so choose do all of your shopping at the
nearest convenient quick mart but for some funny reason most do
On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:21:25 -0800, Mike 'Flyin'8'
No, the OP was asserting that it's somehow Walmart's fault that mom &
pop stores can't compete, but also that it's Walmart's responsibility
to stick around if they're not making a profit. I pointed out that
both were wrong.
I agree that it is certainly not WalMart's fault that another business can
not compete. I also agreethat it is not there responsibility to operate a
non-profit business. I never even expressed a concern remotely close to
either of these. I only bring the facts to the table about one small town
that had a WalMart, small businesses went away as a direct result. This was
soon followed by WalMarts departure.
Definition of Fact is:
a truth known by actual experience or observation
I know it to be true by observation and experience.
On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 00:43:13 GMT, email@example.com (Doug Miller)
See my online aerial photo album at
I see you're still having trouble understanding the difference between a
"fact" and a "claim". Perhaps I can help.
Fact: "something that has been objectively verified."
Claim: "an assertion of truth."
[American Heritage Dictionary]
See the difference now?
In other words -- you *still* are unable to substantiate your claims. You are
not entitled to have them regarded by others as facts until you do.
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
What is "true", from observation and experience, and besides overriding my
filters, is that you're arguing with someone who is basically here to do
nothing but, so just block him and be done with it ... guaranteed that
you'll have less argumentative crap to wade through.
On 07 Dec 2006 23:16:28 GMT, Flyin' firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Which is fine, I was just pointing out that there were likely economic
realities involved that had nothing to do with Walmart being an evil
empire, especially in 1986. Bixby is still there, it didn't dry up
and blow away in the wind, and today there are not only 8 Walmarts in
the area, but tons of small business to boot.
Not sure what the complaint is.
I still think it's amazing how many people completely misunderstand
capitalism. Walmart and HD do not drive *ANYONE* out of business. If
anything, it's the CUSTOMERS who choose, of their own free will, to
shop at Walmart and HD, that do it. Walmart and HD don't herd
customers at gunpoint into their stores, they simply offer lower
prices, because of their size and buying power, and people make the
CHOICE to shop there. So anyone who claims that Walmart and HD drive
anyone out of business is a bald-faced liar.
And if they moved out of Bixby, it's likely they couldn't make enough
money to make a profit, what do you expect them to do? They leave and
anyone else who wants to start a business again is welcome to.
It's called competition. It's the cornerstone of the economic system
On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 20:23:31 +0000, Brian Henderson wrote:
Says the Wal-Mart apologist. Kind of hard to compete with an operation
that is several orders of magnitude larger than yours unless you can find
some way other than price to differentiate yourself, and that is
difficult with mass-market consumer goods.
Which system in its unfettered state proved to be an unmitigated disaster
hence the Sherman Antitrust Act and other legislation.
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