Your "testimonial" might have more credibility had you told us you were
the same Mike Williams who OWNS Creative Woodworks and that rather than
buying solid and plywood FROM them you buy it FOR the business and sell it.
Your posts aren't exactly truthful now, are they? They are, IMNSHO,
BTW, fire your web designer (or hire one), for a commercial
establishment such as yours the site sucks!
> There's no point to this message, other than I need to vent
> I'm building a new entertainment center and just bought three
> 3/4" birch plywood and one sheet of 1/2" birch plywood from my
Two (2) mistakes:
1) Walking thru the doors of Home Depot.
2) Thinking they even know what Birch cabinet plywood is, much less
Plywood distributors exist for a reason.
You know, as a sidebar to this, Home Depot sold quality plywood a few
years ago. (5?- 7?) It was the same stuff I got at my hardwoods guy,
even the same stamps sometimes. It was just a about 20% less.
Then they sold a hardwood faced ply that was called something like
"cabply" or "cabinet ply" with no claims as to what wood it was. It
was clear, had the appearance of first veneer cut ash, not anything at
all resemblign birch, but was very close grained. Not porous at all.
It came from Chile, so of course we called it Chiliply. I used a lot
of it for all kinds of things stained and painted.
Now they sell that junk. When I built the aforementioned tables, I
was really surprised as some of that stuff was a full 3/16" out of
square! OK, we are all past thinking that a sheet of >anything< is
square. But 3/16"?
My point is that when they sold the better stuff, there was a thriving
market for it. A lot of the cabinet guys and smaller contractors ate
that stuff up. Many times I would go to HD to get some, and they
would be out. At the price, it made wonderful small cabinets, paint
grade vanities, uitlity room cabinets, etc. I know it is a function
of money/time on the rack/bottom line, etc., but I can't figure out
why they QUIT carrying a better grade since it was selling. The sold
the daylights out of that stuff.
Now they have the Chinaply whenever I would want it. Problem is, I
don't. There is so much in the racks, apparently a lot of others
You're right ... last time I got good Oak 3/4" ply from HD was around 2002.
IIRC, it was around $42/sheet, which was a pretty good price at the time,
void free, relatively thick veneer compared to the higher wood boutique
prices, and much heavier than what they sell as plywood at any BORG today.
I just got a quote from my hardwood dealer yesterday for 3/4"x4x8 A1 rift
sawn red oak - $115.95/sheet; up $11/sheet since I bought the last load just
about one year ago.
Inflation? ... what inflation?
Now I don't feel so bad over $75 a sheet for the 3/4" stuff I got from my hardwood dealer last winter. Might have gotten a cut rate due to the rest of the almost $2,000 order.
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message<BR><BR>> You know, as a sidebar to this, Home Depot sold quality
plywood a few<BR>> years ago. (5?- 7?) It was the same stuff I
got at my hardwoods guy,<BR>> even the same stamps sometimes. It was
just a about 20% less.<BR><BR>You're right ... last time I got good Oak 3/4"
ply from HD was around 2002.<BR>IIRC, it was around $42/sheet, which was a
pretty good price at the time,<BR>void free, relatively thick veneer compared
to the higher wood boutique<BR>prices, and much heavier than what they sell as
plywood at any BORG today.<BR><BR>I just got a quote from my hardwood dealer
yesterday for 3/4"x4x8 A1 rift<BR>sawn red oak - $115.95/sheet; up $11/sheet
since I bought the last load just<BR>about one year ago.<BR><BR>Inflation? ...
what inflation?<BR><BR>-- <BR><A
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> Tell me about it ... even the trades are putting "fuel cost" clauses in
> their bids the past two months.
"SurCharge" riders are nothing new.
Here in SoCal, been getting fuel surcharges on resin and glass
deliveries the last 3-4 years. Usually $10/delivery.
Still remember when the Hunt brothers tried to corner the silver market.
Almost everything I sold that had silver contacts, carried a silver
surcharge until things settled out.
Of course, back in the days of rampant inflation, "Price in effect at
time of shipment" was popular.
There was no such thing as a quote good for 30 days.
What most Americans don't know is that the US currency is in the toilet. I
run a Canadian company which has 99% of its income in US dollars. Our
revenue is up but when converted to Canadian dollars it becomes less than
years before. I used to get $1.60 Canadian for every one US dollar, now I
only get $1.08 per US dollar and the experts say that the two currencies
will be par by year end.
This means that whatever you bought a couple of years ago that was imported,
now it is going to cost you almost 50% more today because the other
currencies in the world have not dropped as much as the US dollar.
Home Depot, Wal-Mart and many others compensate by buying even cheaper crap
so that the price doesn't go up, that is why the plywood is now pure junk.
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Just out of boredom, I went by HD at lunch today. This was in Fort
Smith, Arkansas. I noticed they had two kinds of birch ply. One was
labeled "3/4 inch birch plywood" and sold for 39.00. The other was
labeled "3/4 inch Classic birch plywood" and sold for 29.00. Both
were stamped "Made in China". I didn't ask what the difference was
because I knew no one working there would know. Anyone have a clue? I
miss Jerry's Home Center in Eugene Oregon.
> What most Americans don't know is that the US currency is in the
> run a Canadian company which has 99% of its income in US dollars.
Didn't realize the Canadian situation; however, I can tell you that
the USD is also in the tank vs the Euro.
Spending money you don't have, to finance a war, will do that.
Euro used to cost approximately $0.85 (at its low point). Now it costs
$1.35 or so. That means that with respect to the euro, the dollar has lost
close to 70% of its value. Of course, gasoline here in the US is still
very cheap compared to Europe - about Euro 1.42 per liter in Wageningen,
Netherlands. If I calculate correctly, that comes to ~US$7.30 per gallon,
or more than twice the price in North Jersey.
Don't most european countries subsidize mass transit (railroads) with
gas taxes? I remember hearing this in Switzerland, but was under
the impression many European countries do the same.
Actually, not a bad idea, at least for the northeast, southeast,
Chicagoland, and So Cal. US.
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