CPSC Proposes New Safety Rule for Tablesaws

http://www.finehomebuilding.com/2017/05/15/cpsc-proposes-new-safety-rules-tablesaws
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On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 9:44:00 PM UTC-5, woodchucker wrote:

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I saw that too. I don't have any objections to having safe table saws. I just cannot figure out how they could require a patented product for this s afety. A device with no patent, like seatbelts when they were required in the 70s or whenever, sure. Or airbags and anti lock brakes. Yes, no paten ts when required. But a patented product while it is still under patent? Unless the safety requirement would remove the existing patent and make it free for anyone to use.
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On 5/23/2017 12:29 AM, snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com wrote:

They don't require a patented product but right now nothing else exists. What should take place is the other saw makers get together and find another method. If they pool resources they may all benefit.
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On Mon, 22 May 2017 21:29:00 -0700 (PDT), " snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com"

The pertinent patents don't have much longer to run (the broad ones run out in 1999 or 2000, IIRC). It's going to kill the low-end saws but I no longer see a big issue with "woodworker's" saws. Time heals all Gass. ;-)
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If they mandate a "safer" saw the population will build a better idiot. It's a miracle our forefathers survive?
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Some of them didn't. We started seeing reasonable safety measures to keep more people alive. The biggest mistake you can make safety wise is forgetting or ignoring how the human creature works! Make the thing look scary and dangerous if it is! Humans will react without even realizing they did it. Making something dangerous look safe actually increases the danger.
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On Mon, 22 May 2017 23:31:07 -0500, Gordon Shumway

What are they going to do about circular saws? Bandsaws? Box cutters?
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On Tue, 23 May 2017 20:40:42 -0400, snipped-for-privacy@notreal.com wrote:

Maybe this is a start?
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw 94&bihs0&q=circular+saw+%22with+saw+stop%22&oq=circular+saw+%22with+saw+stop%22&gs_l=img.12...3748.3748.0.6297.3.3.0.0.0.0.63.63.1.1.0....0...1.2.64.img..2.0.0.0.eEd_fUi8dmg#imgrc=5nHxV0qZaPI0TM:
Or: http://tinyurl.com/lyak5sa
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On Tue, 23 May 2017 19:50:04 -0500, Gordon Shumway

Don't get it.

Good idea but it's not a circular saw.
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On Tue, 23 May 2017 21:30:02 -0400, snipped-for-privacy@notreal.com wrote:

What do you expect for only a few minutes work?
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On Tue, 23 May 2017 20:49:04 -0500, Gordon Shumway

Fair enough.
Seriously, people do some incredibly dumb stuff with circular saw, like cutting off their leg. They need government to protect them!
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On 5/23/2017 9:59 PM, snipped-for-privacy@notreal.com wrote:

I imagine it is being worked on. Same idea but it has to be made smaller but it certainly won't be on thr $29.99 model.
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I'd prefer to see them work on smarter people.
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On 5/23/2017 8:40 PM, snipped-for-privacy@notreal.com wrote:

Don't forget, cars KILL 40,000 here every year. Table saws kill no one. Requiring everyone riding in a car wear a crash helmet costing less than a saw stop device would save a ton of lives every year, while banning table saws completely would not save one life....
Also, everyone seems to accept the 55,000 table saw injuries/year. I NEVER trust this type of government statistic. How did they get the count? What constitutes medical treatment (band aid, tourniquet) What constitutes table saw injury (stubbed toe on stand, dropped blade on bare foot, electrocuted when saw not grounded, stabbed by kickback, sawdust in eye)
Personally, I believe in freedom of competition. If people want safer saws, they will get them with no help needed by some lame ass socialist government hack.
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On 5/29/2017 9:49 AM, Jack wrote:

Chop saw can though. http://www.hobby-machinist.com/threads/saw-kickback-causes-death.52311/
Massachusetts worker killed after saw hits him in throat AP,
November 21, 2016 DUXBURY, Mass. (AP) — Authorities have identified a construction worker who was killed in Massachusetts when a power saw he was using kicked back and hit him in the throat.
The Plymouth County District Attorney’s Office says 28-year-old Jason Sanderson, of Carver, and another worker had been excavating an underground water line in a trench when the incident happened Saturday afternoon in Duxbury.
Investigators say they believe the chop saw he was using “became bound” and jolted back at him, making contact with his neck.
Sanderson was pronounced dead at a hospital. Authorities say foul play is not suspected.
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I'm having trouble picturing the geometry there. Unless something broke. Or "chop saw" means something other than what I think it means.
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On 5/29/2017 10:36 AM, J. Clarke wrote:

Probably something like this.
Typically "chop saws" are not used for cutting wood.
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200474166_200474166?cm_mmc=Google-pla&utm_source=Google_PLA&utm_medium=Construction%20%3E%20Concrete%20Saws%20%2B%20Blades%20%3E%20Concrete%20Saws&utm_campaign=Husqvarna&utm_content!251&gclid=CjwKEAjwja_JBRD8idHpxaz0t3wSJAB4rXW53goYpAYIR1S8kNFZovHI4FVg6u2UU9DiKRouz5JeHRoCJzTw_wcB
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On 5/29/2017 1:29 PM, Leon wrote:

We know that but most new reporters don't. Anything that cuts they call a chop saw it seems. It sounds like the saw, not material being cut kicked back so it could be saw like you show here.
Most any tool can kill you if improperly used or unusual circumstances.
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That's the whole point. It's government's job to protect you because "we" know you're an idiot who can't take care of himself. Just send us all your money and "we" will make sure you have enough bubble wrap for life.
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Summary: CPSC wants new table saws to stop the blade upon contact with flesh.
Response: A nice idea, but its time isn't here yet. SawStop's tech is protected by patents and there's no other competitors right now.
Actually, the free market might sort this out if the patent system actually works. SawStop's patents will eventually expire (I hope!) and the technology will be freely available. It's a very desireable feature, and new saws will be built with it as sawmakers try to compete.
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