Windpower

Aug 10, 2019 Last reply: 6 years ago 224 Replies

Yes, it shows they expect to reposition themselves as fossil fuel companies that greenies accept by pretending to look for alternatives. It makes no real sense but so what.

To think that a fossil fuel company, whose one huge profit source is fossil fuel, is looking to move away from fossils would be hilariously naive.

NT

they aren't experimental cars, they're promotional cars. Anyone that understands the basics of H2 power realises they ain't happening. Mfrs know that perfectly well.

maybe your expectations were out of line with the reality.

There is only one economic answer: diesel. It might not be what the green leaning want to hear, but it's the reality.

NT

You had better go tell Toyota, they seem to be betting the farm on it.

Kind of meaningless in the context, and especially if you are going to move away from burning primary fuels in cars.

At one time so was petrol, and so is spent uranium. That does not mean the problems are unsolvable.

I would expect them to make it.

Of course.

In many cases, sure. Same as that used to charge your BEV.

Who told you that? Toyota? Yeah, right....

No, very meanaingful

No, neither are a bitch to handle at all

At far worse efficiency

The inefficiencies are not really relevant if ultimately you can deliver a convenient and easy to live with solution to the end user. (be that with H, flow batteries, a large pack of AAs or whatever)

The petroleum fuel cycle is also massively inefficient, but I am sure I am not alone in caring not a jot when I go to fill up.

One of the failings of intermittent generators generally. It does not seem to stop the buggers building em though.

I will believe that when I see it...

Then we can go buy it from the French (since we killed our indigenous nuclear generation expertise with decades of dithering and pandering to NIMBYs)

Yup, don't want to miss out on all those lovely particulates and nitrous oxides.

It depends on how you produce it.

At the moment a full tank of H2 is around £50 - £80, about what I pay for petrol. I am sure I could spend far less on fuel if I bought an EV, but that alone is not enough incentive to make my buy one.

What, with the same range? And in the same sort of tank?

euro six engines don't emit much unless its VW anyway. they could tighten the emissions more.

most of the particulates aren't from the engine these days.

The same sized tank as the diesel? the energy density of hydrogen is much less than diesel so it would have to be a much bigger tank to get the same energy.

Maybe pricing in energy/£ is a better measure.

The Brexiteer using his crystal ball again...

Knowing a bit of chemistry is not equivalent to using a crystal ball. It would be nice if a new battery chemistry was just waiting to be discovered but, short of divine intervention, there will not be any new kinds of chemical element to make it with.

Wottaqthikcuntheis

A company makes billions from petroleum and you think they're gonna give up doing that?

they're solved. The solution however is not very good. There is very lttle prospect of a better solution.

from petroleum?

When a business says they're going to implement a no-hoper 'solution' that's politically popular, there are 2 possibilities.

  1. They're morons, they will, and the company will cease to exist.
  2. They won't, and are amused by people that believe them. Toyota is a very large company that's been around at least since the 30s. So explanation 1 lacks credibility in their case.

NT

H2 can't. It has zero hpoe of doing so. It's basic physics & business basics.

Efficiency has a big impact on price. H2's energy & economic inefficiencies will make you care many jots if you ever get a H2 powered car.

NT

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