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[tabbypurr]

H2 never can

... you've just no idea why it never can.

[Tim Streater]

This is precisely the point. Perhaps Our Dave would like to tell us about his new, as yet undiscovered, battery chemistry.

[bert]

Propane is much easier to handle.

[bert]

They grew substantially but then were killed off when the government were persuaded to reduce the fuel tax differential to petrol This was because their advisors told them that a) LPG didn't reduce co2 (true but then no-one ever claimed it did) and b) H fuel cells were the way to go.

[bert]

In article [e-mail], Roland Perry [e-mail]> writes

Morrisons have (or had) them. Got rid of my LPG V8 10 year ago so am a bit out of date. Local Vauxhall dealer also sold it.

[Andy Burns]

Current price seems to be 50p/litre

[John Rumm]

Unlike almost all the other makers, Toyota had not developed any pure BEV vehicles - only hybrid and H2 models.

They have however recently announced a new joint program with Subaru[1], for a new BEV platform.

(the graphed projection of technology composition is interesting)

H2 Mobility currently have 74 H2 filling stations online in Germany, and plan on ramping to 400 by 2023.

Now it could be that these folks are all just plain dumb, or perhaps TNP is not quite as smart as he would like us to believe?

[John Rumm]

and how does that help?

[John Rumm]

So what is the price of a tank full of H2 on the forecourt today then?

[John Rumm]

The current crop of HFCELL cars seem to be in the 300 to 500 mile per tank range.

Can't see your normal petrol tank taking 700 bar.

[Martin Brown]

It is less carbon per unit of hydrogen stored and easier to liquify. Methane is as good as it gets. Japanese taxis run on LPG since the mid

1990's. Actually done as an anti pollution measure since it had reached a point where the air on Tokyo streets was quite literally unbreathable. Big problem is not much room left for luggage in the boot with some of the other conversions. This model was designed for LPG about then:

[Roland Perry]

In message [e-mail]>, at 22:18:52 on Fri, 16 Aug 2019, Andy Burns [e-mail] remarked:

Closer to 60p:

[jeikppkywk]

It was never like that.

Works fine in Australia where the bulk of the taxi fleet is LPG.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

I'd need to borrow your crystal ball for that.

Do love the certainty of Brexiteers. You'd have thought the last three years would have made them take their heads out of the sand.

[Roland Perry]

In message <BghVtnHqhxVdFAl$@ghcq.uk>, at 21:56:10 on Fri, 16 Aug 2019, bert [e-mail]> remarked:

So they do. About 150 over the country. A bit of a postcode lottery. As it happens my nearest Morrisons claims to have it (a little over 20miles whereas multiple other supermarket fuel is just 5 miles away).

[Tim Streater]

Is that safely fillable on the forecourt by your average punter?

[Steve Walker]

It would be a connector that locks on and until locked on remains sealed to prevent any leakage, plus a feedback signal confirming that it is locked on to enable the pump and probably with a mecanism that will only release the lock after the pump is stopped and depressurised. SImilar things are common in industry. All the user would have to do it insert the nozzle, latch it on, fuel up and release the latch - the rest of the operation would be transparent to them.

Steve

[John Rumm]

ISTM the ultimate goal here is no carbon at all...

[Robin]

To be pedantic, I think it is no /net/ carbon. Hence all the firms looking to make clean hydrocarbons from atmospheric CO2. All of them naturally (sic) looking for really, really cheap energy to do it with.

[Roland Perry]

In message <qjbced$6jf$ [e-mail], at 12:22:52 on Sun, 18 Aug

2019, Steve Walker [e-mail]> remarked:

And of course the latch, and socket, are 100% foolproof and fail safe. Yeah.