v for frequency?

Yes, but that was in order to immediately lose and be showered with rebuilding money. It just didn't quite work out.

In the end its all a philosophical nightmare. Should we leave pre industrial herders and hunters with massive death rates and short lives to their own devices? Or would they actually prefer to be brought into at least the 19th century?

I spoke to one woman in the Caribbean who said 'it was much better when we were run by Britain' Drugs and gangs were not tolerated, and education was respected.

No one would dispute that South Africa under the communist ANC is worse off for almost all ethnic groups than it was under the thoroughly racist Afrikaaners. The only group that has benefited a little is the emerging educated black middle class, but even their affluence has come at the price of out of control crime rates .

Everybody seems to want to ape the affluent western urban/suburban lifestyle, but without adopting any of the cultural mores and religious tolerances that made it all possible.

And that goes even for White Europeans, who seem to want to enjoy the fruits of a post modern post industrial lifestyle without any of the underlying technology that makes it all possible.

Just Stop Civilisation!

I wonder who will shower rebuilding money on Russia?

I have wondered how the JSO protesters can really avoid knowing how much of their own lives depends upon oil.

Bicycles are out of the question: tyres made from latex would be very expensive and wear out very quickly, and oil for the bearings and grease for the chains would be problematic. For that kind of person, I suppose animal fats would be a non-starter.

Clothes, medicines, cosmetics, paints, dyes... most of it starts life as crude oil, among thousands of other things. Coal has many industrial uses apart from burning it raw, and I suppose that would be off-limits also.

Back to the 18th century, at the latest, with a population and life expectancy to match. And if animal labour is also ruled out...

It gets worse, eliminate animal husbandry, and you are pretty much back to an aboriginal hunter gatherer, without the hunting.

When the world human population was under a million

Wrong, the arab traders had brought both.

The worst of the muslim religious fanatics don't.

Neither do the Amish.

That's completely silly with the religious tolerance line.

Life would be seriously s***ty for most people. And the population would have to go back to the 7 million or so it was at the time, and the social contract of the time too, with a lot of people beholden to the lord of the manor who provided food and shelter in exchange for hard labour. Very hard labour, too.

Any volunteers to bump off 90% of the population?

Don't worry, it's in hand. See Agenda 2030.

Russia doesn't need any rebuilding money - other than very trivially, no-one has attacked it.

Just Stop People

Of course. A woman in charge of a ship is asking for disaster.

"On board" was the rule.

I think Edward Heath had several on 'Morning Cloud'

I thought it was usually choir boys? And that, is why we joined the EU....

No, definitely yacht boys, he trained them to bend over the side when being sick.

I've never seen that in the ingredients list, although we might call it something else. I assumed the creamy texture was the fat.

Nope, boys from orphanages etc.

What has the EU to do with cute little boys?