Tried to order something from Europe..

Exactly, so for remoaners to say it was promised is indeed a lie.

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Scotland will not "gain independence". It may in due course decide to withdraw from the Union it entered voluntarily.

Who said anything about zero? That's just a stupid arguing tactic.

We are at the worse end of the country overall death rate for covid. We can debate till the cows come home whose fault that is, or even if that is the likely end result - remember when Italy had the worst death rate?

burk / Spuke is a left brainer so uses literal / ridiculous references like that to try to make a point and fails of course. ;-(

I do (from my mate in Italy when he couldn't even walk the dog with his wife around their own grounds without masks and social distancing for fear of getting spotted and questioned / fined by the Police). [1]

Cheers, T i m

That's because he is a stupid fool.

Indeed, apart from the fact that it was only a suggestion about what one might do with the savings from leaving the EU (extra NHS funding just being one obvious example), I see from here:

that the NHS and social care budget was some 137 billyun around 2016, and is some 160 this year. Thats 23 bullyun a year more, or 442 million per week. So even if it wasn't a promise, it's been exceeded anyway. And the covid funding is on top of that. And as T r o l l says, it wasn't 350M anyway, perhaps more like 250 or 200. In which case this "target" has been exceeded by an even bigger margin.

And yes, the extra is the "cost" of being in the EU. But that's just the point, y'see. We don't want to pay it.

We may or may not be.

I have no idea of how the figures are calculated and adjusted, but I do know that while we were counting Covid deaths from all sources, Germany was counting them only from hospital deaths. Unless everyone is measuring the same way or we make corrections for it, we cannot compare the UK death rate to other countries.

In a few years, once accurate data and corrections can be gathered, we will know more.

It is similar to the effects on the economy. The UK comes out worst in the EU/UK group, as the papers are keep to tell us - however, correcting for the differing methods of calculation (they at least are already known and can be adjusted for), the UK actually comes out slap-bang in the middle of the list.

Bwhahahah! Oh you troll / Goblins are so funny. Funny in just how shallow / (stupidly / blinkered) obvious you are with your denial of the fact that it was a whole scam to try to influence the gullible ... and it *just* managed to.

I guess it was just incidental they put the whole 'Give it to the NHS instead' BS wrote large down the side of a bus was just one of a fleet of such busses but they simply didn't feel the need to bother with the rest?

And why that particular *lie* (both the amount and that there would then be a 'spare' £350M/w to give to the NHS instead', simply because we weren't paying it to the EU)?

I see from here:

Yup?

Bwhahaha" *IF* it wasn't a promise ... (an interesting and out of character glimpse at the truth for once) but it was taken as a fact, not a promise and certainly not a lie, by those who saw it *and voted on it*. Easier to get forgiveness than permission etc.

So, we paid something way less than the "£350M/w" and got nothing back at all? That "£350M/w" was just lost, spent, gone, with no advantages to us (or others, and the point) at_all?

Except what you don't (and will never be able to) see is the bigger picture.

Of course *you and your kind* don't want to do anything that might involve being part of a group or team or may help others up the ladder. Why would you, when you can walk on them yourself, as you climb up your ivory tower and pull up the drawbridge, forgetting who grows and delivers your food, administer your NHS care or washes your car.

Cheers, T i m

Who, exactly, is to blame for non-conformance?

I am a very nice person.

But I don't think that snowflakes need protecting from the truth. I think they should be confronted with it.

Scotland is an economic parasite on Britain If we were independent, we would benefit immeasurably by that. Scots are in denial of the fact that not through any fault of theirs, it's a s***ty piss poor country with a lot of mountains and moors and sod all else of any value whatsoever. It had a bit of steel iron and coal at one time, but that's dead along with shipbuilding. It briefly had a little boost from North Sea oil, but really that's pretty much gone now and there is f*ck all left except romantic dreams of Braveheart, a twice daily shot of scag in a glasgow tenement, hatred of England and the dole.

We pay Scotland to keep their problems in Scotland, We pay them an enormous amount. An amount that the EU would never pay and the scots themselves could never pay.

Scotland isn't even as big populations wise as London.

Why if the scots want independence, should we stop them?

There is nothing in Scotland anyone wants least of all Scots.

The problem is that the Scots were bought for cash and that's how we got Scotland to start with. They needed bailing out and the price was economic and political union. Because they couldn't run themselves .

Why would we choose to do that again? 5 years of 'independence' so called and they would be back begging for charity.

I am sick of the whining scots and wee krankie and her slick lies. Blames her own total failure to achieve anything, on England. Well if that is what the Scots believe they can f*ck off and die in thousands under 'independence' a pathetic little republic, globally isolated with less people than Libya, no natural resources, and led by political carpetbaggers?

Why wouldn't we put a damned hard border down hadrian's wall?

And the stupid will put it all down to policy.

COVID reminds us we are a globally connected nation.

That has a risk attached

Rightly or wrongly we are after the usual shambolic response of any government to a threat it didn't invent for the purposes of electioneering and virtue signalling, delivering a higher per capita vaccination rate than anyone else except IIRC Israel.

That actually is not bad going. If it makes a difference, we will be ahead of the game

If not, well I don't think anyone could know that yet

the advantage of being a totalitarian country is

you can fiddle the figures and no-one will be able to prove otherwise

HTH

tim

As far as it was possible

yes that's exactly what it did

The whole remoan campaign is turning out to be a lie.

As we finally understand what we have escaped from.

I don't think it was that voluntary. They were bankrupt. Union was the price of financial support.

And still is

that's the problem of having ships registered in Liberia which they never actually visit

I don't think this happens with ships registered in sensible places that the ship does visit occasionally

ITYM

Not even China tried to pretend that

and what would you have done to get the death rate even approaching zero?

I said at the time. I am saying it again

the big mistake that we made was in not closing our borders to casual visitors in March 2020

That's something that virtually ever other country in the world did