Tried to order something from Europe..

Errr 52% to 48%

So what's your excuse for the rubbish about B12 etc?

I think so. They want to break their own rules to attract financial services and expect us to stick to them

Well we may just decide to follow their example.

If B12 wasn't an issue you would agree that 52 is 8% more than 48. Or more to the point 17,410,742 is 8% more than 16,141,241. Confirming my statement, "the number of brexit votes cast were 8% more than remain votes. Hardly a minority".

Are you suggesting B12 isn't an issue for fanatical vegans?

We decided to be a country outside the EU and to trade with the EU just like any other non-EU country.

The fact that other countries (e.g. China) are already in the groove to supply the UK has no bearing on the UK's inability to get its act together over Trade Agreements which it has signed with the EU.

I think the oft used term is "You won. Get over it."

Free trade deals don't mean no regulation or paperwork. That is what you get with a single market and customs union.

Cheers

Dave R

This is true in the sense that 17,410,742 / 16,141,241 is 1.0786 or so, so it's 7.86% more, but the margin is not normally expressed this way.

Is that what you call facts

Yes, the point being that the EU is not allowing that to happen

No, it is the EU countries that seem unable to get their act together. It is their responsibility to produce compliant paperwork. The EU is making it impossible.

It doesn't mean putting so much red tape in the way that your *own companies* can no longer export.

Well it is no skin off my nose. I don't normally order anything from the EU personally. I got most of what I needed from the UK warehouse and the rest direct from Hong Kong.

Only the EU lost out.

I voted for Brexit and knew there would be initial glitches. Once the children on both sides have got tired, things will run smoothly.

Did you remind them the UK holds all the cards ?

it doesn't seem to matter that they are signing their death warrant.

You and the other remoaners seem to think I am complaining. I am not. I am aghast that the EU should essentially stop its smaller companies exporting to its biggest export market.

Like I said. it is cutting off their nose...

Have you gone vegan?

I am not a remainer, but you are complaining. You do not have a clue as to why the goods you wanted were not supplied. Probably just a Natural Philosopher of the German/French/WhateverEUnational kind at the supply end.

The same could be said for Brexiters, and I'm one of them. Put the bottle down and go to bed.

That's because the foreign company has to charge UK VAT now and pay the UK HMRC. Small companies can't be bothered. I've bought stuff since Jan

The VAT changes have been public for some time before we left the EU. The changes are not an EU change enforced on us, we (UK gov) were part of the agreement.

The VAT rules change in EU remaining 27 on July 1st 2021, we went early as we left Jan 1st 2021.

You know this full well and are just stirring up s*it.

switcherooo eh? Sorry I'll leave all the kids in the sand pit to argue.

bye

Bingo and exactly my point about humans (or even Goblins on a good day <g>) versus droids like ShitHeadXX.

So yet another example of how ShitHeadXX is both a fanatical stalker and a sad left-brained troll of course.

He doesn't GAF about anyone else, *especially* every other being he holds as being beneath him (so that's 'everyone else' and of all species).

Let's only hope you aren't disabled or a child (with the same intelligence as a dog or pig) and were hoping to get any help, humility or compassion from him. Hopefully the restraining orders will prevent that ever being the case.

Cheers, T i m

Mate works for a Co in Denmark who supply, install and maintain fire control systems. He said during the EU Ref circus that if there were any extra delays or issues buying kit from the UK, they would simply buy it all elsewhere.

There seem to be a minority who really seem to think we are 'Great Britain', rather than the 'Arrogant Britain' who have been taking liberties around the world for ages .. like some spoilt / kid.

Cheers, T i m

The only droid here is the one that drones on about his vegan diet and how everyone else should also be deficient in B12.

At least I think with both sides of your brain. Are you missing the logical left side?

I guess that is the point. I don't abuse anyone on their choice of food. You are welcome to eat your diet of choice.

You do understand that being a fanatical vegan is at odds with being a pet owner. It must bring about much cognitive dissonance.

An excellent example of someone with serious mental health issues. For christ's sake, get your B12 levels tested.

Most of us know quite well that the "Great" in "Great Britain" refers to being bigger than "Brittany" and nothing more.

Jean-Claude Juncker (b. 1954) served as President of the European Commission from 2014-19 & as the 23rd PM of Luxembourg

His father, Joseph, was a steel worker and Christian trade unionist who was forcibly conscripted into the German Wehrmacht, following the Nazi occupation. Juncker has often remarked that the horrors of war he heard from his father's experiences had a profound influence in shaping his views on the need for European reconciliation and integration. His mother was born Marguerite Hecker. He studied at the Roman Catholic "école apostolique", before returning to Luxembourg to study for his Baccalaureate at the Lycée Michel Rodange. He joined the Christian Social People's Party in 1974. He studied law at the Univ of Strasbourg, graduating with a master's in 1979; although he was sworn into the Luxembourg Bar Council in 1980, he never practised as a lawyer.

Juncker was one of 12 children in a large household where money was tight. His father was heavily wounded during his service at the Eastern Front in Russia, which left him visibly scared. Throughout his life Joseph Juncker was also as a member in the Christian Labour union, he took his son to several union and party meetings, which made an impact on his son political views already in his early days. Coming from a poor family, it was a key aspect of his political ideology to fight social inequalities, strive for equal opportunities and fairness amongst all people. He had to learn from a quite young age, that saving money is a valuable asset. This skill of economizing assets came in handy in his later position as minister of finance.

Shortly before the 1989 election Juncker was seriously injured in a road accident, spending two weeks in a coma. He has stated that the accident has caused him difficulty with balancing since.

In early Nov 2014, just days after becoming head of the Commission, Juncker was hit by media disclosures?derived from a document leak known as LuxLeaks?that Luxembourg under his premiership had turned into a major European centre of corporate tax avoidance.

During his tenure, Juncker also oversaw the 2014 opening of the Luxembourg Freeport, which former German Member of Euro Parliament Wolf Klinz dubbed "fertile ground for money laundering and tax evasion". In Mar 2015, Juncker called for the formation of a European army, because "a common army among the Europeans would convey to Russia that we are serious about defending the values of the EU".

In August 2016, Juncker received criticism over his remarks on immigration at the European Forum Alpbach in Austria. During his speech, Juncker, a supporter of Angela Merkel's open door response to the European migrant crisis, made news by telling the audience that "borders are the worst invention ever made by politicians".

Upon hearing the news of Cuban leader Fidel Castro's death in Dec 2016, Juncker said, "With the death of Fidel Castro, the world has lost a man who was a hero for many."

On 4 May 2018, Juncker attended and spoke at an event commemorating Karl Marx's 200th birthday. Critics accused Juncker of insulting the victims of communism.

Juncker suffers from sciatica attacks following a 1989 car accident, which cause him occasional unsteadiness while walking. A video of Juncker stumbling and receiving assistance from several EU politicians at a NATO leaders' event in July 2018 prompted comments about his health, though his spokesman dismissed the concerns.

Speculations about alcoholism surrounded Juncker for several years and have been discussed by several high-profile EU politicians. In 2014, Jeroen Dijsselbloem, at the time Dutch Minister of Finance, described Juncker in an interview as a "heavy smoker and drinker", but later apologized for his comments. Juncker himself has always denied these allegations in interviews.

Actually its not deliberate its the usual problem of nobody knows how to do it yet, since the paperwork is impenetrable. Brian

I bet you are wrong re your 'most'.

It's just the same with all those who incorrectly say 'Robin Reliant' because they see the word 'reliant' to mean 'reliable, dependable' rather than it *just* being the brand name (even if 'it' also carried that inference). Reliant (marque), Robin (model). ('Most' don't know why the name Reliant was used by Tom Williams either).

It's like saying 'I have a Ford Escort Turbo' where you are trying to emphasise the word 'turbo' to imply 'fast / good / fancy' (when the fact that it had a turbo had no bearing on the fact is was a Ford Escort and not a Porsche or Trabant).

I question that 'most' would give you an accurate definition of Britain, Great Britain, England and United Kingdom and how the usage of each can change depending on if you are talking formally, informally, politically or geographically, let alone the difference between being in the EU or Europe or what sovereignty actually means.

Unfortunately these same people are allowed to vote. ;-(

Cheers, T i m