Ovo energy just sent me a email saying the Government want EVERY home
in the uk to have a smartmeter by 2020. The gov can go to hell as far
as i;'m concerned.
The real reason is of course that they want to be able to turn YOUR
energy supply off via the internet - and hence control YOUR life. It
has nothing to do with energy conservation of any other similar
Well I would be polite to start with. If they then came back with any BS
saying I had to have one then I'd tell them to Foxtrot Oscar.
Tim is of course correct that it is only smart appliances that have the
possibility to be turned on and off - but my router might just block
A smart meter can just cut off your whole supply either deliberately or
by someone hacking the system and believe me some will hack the system
if only as a challenge.
To be honest, they should have done that from the outset.
But instead they are try to sell it to UK public as an advantage of
energy saving and elimination of estimated bills and making them pay for
I'm pretty certain the French govt are mandating smart meters on their
Smart meters cost much more to run mainly becuase of their use of the
mobile network. They are not charged for directly but the operators will
have to recover their costs from their customers.
They allow operators to charge more during periods of peak demand, so
you could find that the cost of cooking your dinner rises.
With monthly DD payments estimated meter readings are much less of a
problem, and many operators allow you to submit your meter reading
online if you want to.
There would be some sense in having smart meters which customers could
access via their Wifi.
Sadly I don't think that many if any will do this. They talk to a
bespoke display unit but I don't think you can get any data out of that.
furthermore I don't think it lets you see what and when data is being
taken by the supplier.
IF when time variant pricing takes hold, it rather suggests that you
wont be able to read the meter manually or automatically to verify what
your bill says in terms of
x units at A tariff and y units at B tariff and so on.
This is something that would concern me and an important principle being
Maybe but there has been discussion in other fora of the lack of
information on the communication protocol from people wanting to do just
There is a revised standard for smart meters about to be rolled out
about now and so maybe this is more accessible to home computers.
On Friday, 10 February 2017 13:40:25 UTC, Chris J Dixon wrote:
I can sort of do that now without a smart meter, if I give my meter reading
s once a month or 1 in 3 I can go to the npower site and they can show what
they've done. Which is a couple of simple pie charts and predictions on wh
at next years bill might be.
I assume if a smartmeter as installed it would send data back to npower who
would them create a pie chart from that, rather than getting data from the
One energy company was employing a friend of mine to write an app that show
ed energy usauge over the hour day week month etc.. never got complteted be
cause they couldnlt provide enough data on demand. He didn't have a smart m
eter so the test data was downloaded from their site.
...but not the consumption of an individual appliance, and certainly not
the consumption integrated over time, such as the average consumption of
a fridge, or other appliance controlled by a thermostat.
I can do that by timing the number of seconds for the disc (of my old
fashioned magnetic meter) to make a complete revolution and dividing it
into 21,600 to yield the total (instant) consumption in watts.
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