In message snipped-for-privacy@pvr2.lan, Rod Speed snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com writes
If you'd been listening to some of James o'Brien's LBC phone-ins following the referendum, when he was asking in-phoners why they voted to leave, and what they thought the effect of Brexit would be, you would have heard quiet a few callers saying that they didn't really care what the consequences would be. The objective had been achieved. We were out of the EU, and that was the end of the matter.
Sadly, I'd not even guess when the mess that was Brexit will be fully ended.
In message snipped-for-privacy@davenoise.co.uk>, "Dave Plowman (News)" snipped-for-privacy@davenoise.co.uk> writes
Jacob Rees-Mogg has just been appointed UK Minister for Brexit Opportunities. With HIM in charge, what could possibly go wrong!!!
Well quite. That's why it's so amusing to watch Our Dave and similar banging on about the economic consequences, and having a fit of the vapours like a Victorian maiden to whom an improper suggestion has been made, should there be any.
As I have said many a time and oft, the aim of brexit was to get us out from under an undemocratic and badly constructed entity which is not fit for purpose. If it were fit for purpose, the rEU wouldn't be behaving in such a s***ty and generallly childish manner towards us. They would be much more confident that they had got the structures and the setup right, and wouldn't be in such a panic.
That'll teach him for appearing on NewsNight live.
And I'll say again. Had the voters known this was the only reason, and that the consequences of leaving would badly effect their wallets and so much more, I'd bet the result would have been different.
But good to know you've changed your mind about the EU. Which, we were told would be a pushover and give us exactly what we demanded, post Brexit. Them needing us more than we needed them.
not a lot. very competent man, however he wont last long as whatever he comes up with will be vetoed by remainers trying to keep us aligned with the EU....
It wasn't the only reason for me. I'm (and have been for many years) a
40% tax payer, but one of my concerns was for the lower paid who were being undercut by EU workers from lower wage economies, dragging low-end wages down to the minimum.
Just as true of what stupidity the EU might get up to too.
If you still believe that Brexit is being good for Britain, I suggest you listen to tonight's Eddie Mair programme, on LBC, from around 6:05pm to 7. It should be available on somewhere on LBC's player.
There was no evidence for that last, particularly with the unskilled who would no longer have to compete with unskilled labour from places like Romania and Poland who are prepared to accept much lower wages and worse conditions because they are still much better than where they are coming from.
Don't believe that.
Ian Jackson snipped-for-privacy@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote
It's early days yet. And it is already good for the unskilled who no longer have to compete with unskilled EUians who are prepared to accept the lowest legal wages and conditions because those are still much better than where they are coming from.
No thanks, it has always been very one eyed.
Only because those for whom it isnt a bad thing don't bother to show up there.
Pity about all the unskilled who have already benefitted.
In message snipped-for-privacy@pvr2.lan, Rod Speed snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com writes
Pity that you don't what to hear what problems Brexit has created for UK businesses. While some workers will indeed have been able to fill the places that EU workers that have left, it's not as simple as that. One of the main problems is that the vast amount of customs bureaucracy is making some trade almost impossible - and some companies have alleviated the problem by opening branches in the EU (including the RoI). The effect is that jobs are being lost from the UK and transferred to EU countries, and that taxes the overseas workers and businesses are paying are now going into the coffers of EU countries, and not the UK.
It's not so bad for the skilled too.
What is your concern for businesses? Do you run a business? Did you employ Eastern European labour? Businesses have done very well out of the EU at the expense of the indigenous workforce.
Quite, if only Tony Bliar hadn't opened the floodgates we might still be in the EU, or even the EEC.
Red tape has always been a bane for businesses. Making Tax Digital is my next headache. There was nothing wrong with my Excel spreadsheets.
Correction, red tape when importing items through an online market supplier has got easier. I no longer have to pay VAT on goods imported on my behalf.
What I have found is that the problems that have been created have been created by the EU.
It is now far far harder to import something from the EU than it is from
- say - China.
Whether you choose to ascribe that the Brexit, or the EU, is up to you.
What I did not expect, and freely admit it, was that the EU would declare a trade war, and political war on the UK.
Their attitude seems to be 'we will try to ensure Brexit is a failure, even if it damages our members economies and endangers our citizens lives' .
Spain and Portugal have lost their tourism income. Astra Zeneca vaccine, was denied to EU citizens for political reasons, and cost the lives of thousands in Europe and indeed S Africa,
That is bad enough, What is more sickening is that people like you applaud them, and consider this completely justified.
I merely note how ill advised it is, as Hungary, Switzerland, Norway, Poland, Romania Czech republic and Slovakia et al are all in dispute with the EU.
Isn't it time people like you and the EU moved from the 19th century into at least the 20th if not the 21st...and grew up.
You lost a political argument, and the world has changed.
In message <su02lg$36a$ snipped-for-privacy@dont-email.me, The Natural Philosopher snipped-for-privacy@invalid.invalid writes
Don't we tend to buy different types of goods from China from what we get from the EU?
In recent years, since we joined the Customs Union, a lot of what we get from the EU has often been (often fresh) foodstuffs, and specialist manufactured goods, and trade has been as simple as trade between Yorkshire and Lancashire. Much is same or next day delivery, often by small traders in white vans. In contrast, China tends to send us domestic goods, usually in large shipping containers, where the complexity and costs of transportation and customs is a simple run-of-the mill procedure for large companies who can afford to employ shipping agents to handle transportation and customs matters.
Has the minimum wage gone up substantially, then?
What I do know from pals in the building trade (in London) is it is now simply impossible to get decent tradesmen at any wage. They don't exist.
Where do all those unskilled from the EU find somewhere to live? Which doesn't take a vast chunk out of their now massive UK earnings? And since they've left, have rents come down? Supply and demand?
But at least all those desirable jobs - like pizza delivery- is now done by our boys. And being very well paid for it.
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