OT: VE day warplanes

tresspassing!

He wasn't leaving with the film intact for reasons explained elsewhere. We'd have got the police in if needed and they would have created suitable charges later.

I presume you're from the town and don't understand how things work in the countryside (despite Blair and co's interference)

You didn't know cattle are all tagged with ID cards?

And no use to those millions of us who believe getting on train or plane or buying something needs any form of proof of who we are. No use to those who believe those who live here are entitled to all the advantages of living here without having to prove who we are every time we set foot outside. The need for evidence of who we are is almost entirely a government led requirement that would be significantly lessened by repealing much of the repressive legislation of the last 40 years.

If I want to do business with someone I'll establish my bonafides in just the same way as I've always done or find someone else. It's a pity the state did not ask for ID before it robbed me of 40 to 50 percent of my income ove r the last 45 years. I would happily not have done business with them.

You think being forced to carry a form of identification doesn't make people just like cattle?

Not being treated as an animal is a very good reason to be against them.

Cattle are obliged to carry ID by law and look where cattle usually end up. Dogs may be owned and run the risk of death if straying but they aren't required to prove who they are.

Yes you do. It undermines your argument of their usefulness

They are no use unless compulsory

Being forced to carry ID puts you in the same position as a sheep or a slave. You certainly are not a free man anymore.

Can you prove it was you wot started this? Got any ID?

If you don't like it just kill the thread on your news reader.

Not heard of that. I'd be interested in the URL to the story if you find one. As I said, the commercial jets can't get away with a lot. I would guess that the incidents were on climb-out rather than approach, and I suspect involve not following a published noise-abatement proceedure correctly. Noise abatement is a trade-off between safety and comfort for those living near the airport, as the procedures invariably carry more risk than a straightforward full-power climbout.

For it to be happening frequently, you are either on the approach/departure route of a local airport, in which case make a note of the time and complain to ATC at the airport, who will probably be able to identify the most likely culprit. Or if you are not on such a route, it is probable that it is the same helicopter, or helicopters from a local training school. In all cases you should be able to find those responsible & complain. A single complaint usually does the trick.

The other possibility is that you live on a low-level helicopter route, maybe on a hill, in which helicopters are not permitted above a certain height AMSL. The helicopters may appear to be within 100 feet but are in fact flyng legally within a confined air corridor. If you know your lat. and long. I could look it up on an aeronautical chart and see whether I can figure a logical reason.

If none of that is of any help, then maybe get a webcam or similar & continuously record the area in question in a 2 hour loop. Reg. letters will be clearly visible at 100 feet. You then look up the registration on the web and phone the owner when he gets home.

That's actually what the CAA enforcement guy told me - if you can read the registration letters by naked eye, they're too low.

What and miss the opportunity to generate some "lively discussion"?

Uncomfirmed story I've been told it's ManU footballers. But then they get blamed for every incident of speeding on the A34 as well :-)

Thanks. They usually travel over Dale Top on Landranger 109 reference

Yet still we consistently out-perform air forces equipped with vastly superior aircraft....

No. You don't stay just a *little* above a hill you are close to at night. You stay a *lot* above a hill you are close to. Especially when the hill is unlit farmland. Two reasons. The first is that hills are often totally invisible at night. They are just black holes with no sense of distance or perspective - it is really weird. An aircraft altimeter is not nearly accurate or reliable enough to depend upon within 100 feet of cumulo-granite, even assuming the pressure setting has been entered correctly.

The second is that when close to the ground, hills provide a false horizon that can be mildly offputting during the day, but deadly at night when flying VMC (which the helicopters almost certainly are).

Low flying at night is for the military boys with their night-vision goggles and electronic aids.

For a helicopter emergency night landing into an unlit area, the pilot would poop off a magnesium pyrotechnique to see the area, head for the flattest area and switch on a powerful landing light when closer. Even so, I have practised one such night landing under power, and it is very disconcerting even inside the boundary of a flat airfield with which I was very familiar and a few lights visible to give some sort of reference. You have zero perspective, a very misleading sense of speed over the ground, and your only height judgement is the size and position of the landing light spots.

An engine failure in a fixed wing aircraft at night is usually briefed like this: Set up for the glide as usual. Try to fix the problem. Declare a mayday. Head for a black hole. When you get low, perform your emergency checks but don't switch off the battery. Switch on the landing lights to see what is ahead. If you like what you see, land normally. If you don't like what you see, switch off the landing lights ...

But that IS the tory party...

All right then.

How about an incredibly expensive solution that won't actually solve any of the things its supposed to but will allow even more interference with citizens private lives than before?

Like not carrying an ID card!!!

But uk.transport is all about long sufferance, surely?

Well they ARE the best aircraft, just not for the sorts of conflicts that exist anymore..

I gather the top brass at the RAF don't agree whatever the sort of conflict. They want F22s.

That's what I would have thought. There are some distant lights in villages like Rainow and Whaley Bridge plus the spawls of Macclesfield and Stockport to south and norht but I doubt you would see the farmland or Lyme Hall at all until you hit it.

Did you find if there was a maximum height limit in this are though as suggested in the other posting ? What happens at night in this event - does the route become closed or something ? (By night I am refering to winter evenings BTW)