OT: VE day warplanes

This afternoon a trio of warplanes (a bomber and 2 fighters, can't pretend to know their types), made a fly past, presumably to celebrate the VE day anniversary.
Pretty impressive sight, as they were flying very low, and in close formation.
Part of me cannot help wondering, though, how sensible it is to make these flights over densely populated urban areas. These are very old planes, designed at a time when our technology was less advanced and safety priorities were skewed by the necessities of war. Flying so close and low, there can't be much time to react is anything goes wrong, and the consequences of an accident could be catastrophic.
Am I way off the mark here?
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No you aren't. Duxford in Cambridgeshire regulary sees these planes hit the nearby M11
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The planes may be old design, but they are fully renovated, or mostly built from scratch again now'a'days, and they do have a lot more safety features built-in than they used to have during war time. The Civil Aviation People wouldn't allow them to fly if they didn't come up to quite modern safety standards.
But they do fly hell'of'a'low though, don't they? :-)
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Well they could fly at civil aviation flight levels for the area, same heights as other planes passing by. But then you wouldn't see a lot. The pilots of these planes specialise in low level and formation flying. And the planes are as safe when low in built up areas as airliners. Yet you don't hear many complaints about airliners being dangerous when flying over urban areas do you?
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On Mon, 09 May 2005 07:24:48 GMT, "Martin Davies"

At least one of the planes due to take part in our local display had to pull out.
Apparently the larger WW2 planes have recently been re-classified as commercial airliners meaning much larger insurance premiums are payable.
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s--p--o--n--i--x wrote:

You must be thinking about the flying fortress. I saw something in the paper about it being classed as the same as a 747 in regards to insurance.
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On Mon, 09 May 2005 09:47:08 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@email.com (s--p--o--n--i--x) wrote:

Indeed. Something else for which we must thank Brussels.
Somewhat ironic really, I didn't notice occupied Europe demanding such restrictions back in 39-45.
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Richard Buttrey wrote:

Perhaps the B17 should go on one last operational sortie? ;)
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Martin Davies wrote:

The ones you really want to worry about are the Russian Air Force aircraft when they come over for air shows.... I had a tour around a Russian Condor, and a Candid...On the flight deck, half of the dials were missing....They'd been ripped out and sold for funds....Only those absolutely essential to flight were left behind.....
I've guarded Russian Flankers and Floggers when they've visited UK airshows....To say their tyres were threadbare was an understatement....And the bodywork was worryingly patchy.....
A Russian Hind helicopter that visited Aldergrove's 230 Sqn in 1997 for the annual Tiger Sqn Meet, crashed on it's way home after the meet, killing all crew, simply because it's engine seized up in mid air.... Ironically, the helicopter had to have several repairs by the RAF techies when it arrived at 230 Sqn....Apparently a lot of the parts from our Puma's are comaptible and interchangeable with those on Hind's....
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It's a testament to the design and build of them that they can fly in conditions that would render our aircraft scrap.

So it made it across ok but after the RAF had a go at fixing it!
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Depresion wrote:

LOL..I see what you're saying...It would still be sitting on the pans at Aldergrove now if they hadn't fixed it....
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Maybe not so compatible after all!
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No it doesn't. There was one that overran the runway and ended up on the M11 a few years ago but apart from that I can't think of any other cases of a plane on the M11. I think that was blamed on pilot error. I think the M1 has had as many planes as the M11, only in that case it was a fairly modern passenger jet.
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Mike wrote: ...

IIRC the aircraft was also involved in an aerobatic display, which is intrinsically more hazardous than straight and level flight.

As also happened with the M27, where a passenger jet ran off the end of Eastleigh Airport, and the executive jet that ran off the end of the runway at Northolt, hitting a van.
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Oh yes it does. I used to live near there and there was an average of one crash every eighteen months. Some at shows, some at practice. Not all ended up on the carriageway but some on embankments or the nearby fields still required the M11 to have lanes shut.
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Mike wrote:

I've lived near there since 1994, and I can only recall 2 incidents....
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Yes, unlike the A14 road. One incident per day is getting the norm;!....
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tony sayer wrote:

Recently reported as the most dangerous road in Britain....I must say I'm still confused by the way it splits and goes two directions at the same time around Huntingdon and Alconbury....
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Mike wrote:

AFAIK it happened once (I think it was an Me109 that had engine problems) - 'hardly counts as "regular".
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Dave wrote:

And there was a Yugoslavian jet....An Iskra or something like that....Relatively modern aircraft compared to the ones the OP was enquiring about....
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