It isn't. You run the primary OS by default but opt for the alternative if there is something you must do on the OS and don't want the kludge or trying to run apps not designed for one OS on another or run a complete OS on top of another (with all it's weaknesses + some).
It's only beaten by having removable drives so that each OS has the entire system to itself.
Still doesn't answer the question of what strange thing you must be doing that there wouldn't be any native support for it on Linux ?
No one is saying it should. I'm just asking what thing is so 'specialised' that an OS that is supposed to be the best OS since sliced bread (not by you or I etc) can't do it? Who would anyone who had made the public announcement that they don't run Windows any more (not you or I etc) still run Windows in a VM or Windows apps under WINE?
Mint 18.3 MATE ran better OOTB than W10, even if only how well Linux supported the failure of the Apple trackpad to have a physical right click (so requires a 2 finer tap or some additional keyboard actions).
I didn't suggest you would be having 'graphics problems' and you may not realise you were till you did some performance tests on the who graphics solution. Then you might discover that the Linux graphics drivers had been reverse engineered by men in sheds and although 'worked', weren't working as well / fast as they could.
You are offering binary answers to an analogue point / question mate. 'Yes', the reason you can 'get away' (as most people who have tried to use Linux but failed because of lack of support for something would see it) with Linux is you don't have any deal breaker situation. Duh.
If you don't need to run games (and many don't these days, using consoles instead) the 'point' was the chances are you would be better served on Windows (over OSX / Linux). 10 Years after there was Steam on Windows , it came to Linux. Whoopee.
But many do, because *they* simply find it easier than any of the alternative solutions out there and irrespective of you (I / one) needing to, you simply can't on Linux (but can on Windows / OSX etc).
Of the four people I have given Linux to (because it's a better fit for a work over domestic situation), 3 of them did (so dual boot into Windows to do so). Of the others who use Sage there were too many other things that precluded them using Linux at all.
That's good then. ;-)
It did, I was confining that, sorry it confused you.
The latest version?
Funny (missing the point). It's not all about you mate, it's about the concept of Linux being 'better' that Windows when for most people, just wanting to do what they do it's worse. I'm not talking about the whole FOSS thing (that few ITRW care about as I've seen them spend loads on money on proprietary software rather than put up with some free of cost stuff) and they certainly don't therefore care about any other idea of 'free'.
Again, signposting my point. Linux may well be 'ok' for you because you aren't trying to use it across the board against a wide range of situations. And it only needs one such to make it a deal breaker.
Parallels on my wifes Macbook pro does Windows 10 very well. So well in fact that the various cockups introduced by Win10 updates do not adversely affect the VM like the recent USB shitfest:
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And before you ask for the details of what my wife does in Windows apps that OSX apps can't do, don't bother.
Then don't ask me or you. I have said none of what you are alluding to.
I really don't know what point you are trying to make.
Doesn't really matter why I choose to run what I do. I am simply pointing out that I am not at this time actually having to buy new hardware to achieve what I want to do because Windows 10 has demands which exceed the capabilities of my hardware.
But I don't have any issues at present.
If it mattered to me, I'd be using the appropriate tools.
But in the spirit of this thread, it doesn't matter. For someone who wrote: "This is a common issue with the Linux fanboys, once you have sworn the oath to the Mighty Penguin, you have to give up any thought or positive attitude towards any other OS (even though they often just 'have to' use Windows for some critical role)." you sure come across as being a fanatical Windows fanboy.
Unless there is a later version than 4.51 64 bit, and the plugins of same version.
It is about me.
Of course I am talking about what suits me. I do not pretend to know what is good for every individual.
YVW
Yes. Did you realise that my original response was made to Pounder with good intentions?
Had to laugh at "amongst any who *actually* know me I'm considered a Linux advocate" He's pretty much ignored as an ignoramus in all the linux groups I've looked in.
Either you are very confused by what I mean by 'user' or you have sent me a link to the code that is behind the user GUI option button(for some reason)... a button that I must have missed when I installed Mint yesterday?
Mozilla dumped the XUL framework from FireFox, Thunderbird etc last year.
Everything is Web Extensions now.
So no point touching anything which isn't (about 90% of add ons, I'm guessing).
The official documentation says this:
Start by reading the tutorial and learn how to build a Thunderbird extension (Outdated, but by following the steps you will produce an extension that still works with the most recent Thunderbird version 52.x).
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Thunderbird_extensions
(most of the tools on that page are also outdated)
I thought it was set otherwise, but obviously, I, or it, have changed it back.
The machine is on W10 so that I can test things here before inflicting them on others via Teamviewer etc. I try to keep it up to date and as normal as possible. It was the 10 minute notice of a restart (in this case a full re-installation of a later version) that I objected to.
No, it won't. I am trying to help someone with a "Brennan" stand alone audio machine, Raspberry Pi based but will only see FAT32 external drives for usb backup. The internal 2TB HD has lost something like 1000 CD's he has loaded into the machine. We have spent ages faffing about. The Partition Magic I found gave messages that made me worry about it on W10. Things like Diskpart only work up to 32GB. I don't really dare get him to reboot into a Linux partition editor. I finally found fat32format from someone still using a website with a Demon Internet address. This made me think that whoever wrote the software must be mature and honest, but I'm worried as, as far as I know, the incompetents at Vodafone are still trying to blow all vestiges of Demon out of the water.
We are currently at the stage where we are merging backups ready to copy onto the external 2TB Fat32 drive for him to plug into the Brennan to see what happens.
On the Brennan via PuTTY, there may be some evidence that the internal
2TB may be a bit dodgy, but, not knowing much about Linux, I tried running fsck and it didn't seem to understand FAT32 (or whatever the internal drive is).
The copying continues while I drive to visit someone at the local hospital.
Luckily their parking machinery is currently broken and switched off. :-)
Why do you insist on being so argumentative? There are 'users' of windows who haven't a clue about a lot of things which can be done with the system. Stick someone who has never used windows before on a windows pc and see how far they get without some form of help. If someone is not competent enough to run a command line, then yes, Linux is beyond their understanding. Pretty much as it would be if they tried a command line in windows. Obviously, your 'mates' are a few IQ points lower than I assumed them to be and so cannot run a few simple lines of instructions. Apologies for that assumption. Perhaps they'd be better off with a nintendo gameboy?
So no point in fiddling around with something which will die soon.
As an email client, Thunderbird is no worse than Outlook. But it's the calendar feature from Outlook I want most, since my public-personal email since 1996 has been a hotmail account, so I use that for calendaring (which syncs flawlessly with Android - Mozilla take note).
I'm sure it does. So did the several Lini I had running on VB on a laptop?
Give it a banana? ;-)
The point remains the same ... you have to have the Host OS running before you can run the Guest OS. Hardly KISS is it?
Sorry, I think you are confusing me with someone who actually GAF. ;-)
You have told me all I need to know by mentioning she has to run Parallels to cover all she needs to do. Could she do all she needs to do just in Windows or what app is OSX only that she needs?
I never said you did? Are you able to discuss things that aren't directly related to either of us?
I'm not trying to make 'a point' but merely reflecting on those who do seem to get all excited over an OS?
Matter, no, of interest to others as part of a broader conversation, possibly? If you don't want to share such information for some reason that's your call.
And that's fine, because it is a valid reason (and again I'm not suggesting you are obliged to provide anyone one, just that's sorta what generally happens as part of a broader discussion).
See above. Just because you aren't experiencing any problems personally doesn't mean the may not exist in a technical sense.
You seem to be giving a typical Linux geek answer where even if something doesn't work (when it's obvious it doesn't work), that doesn't count if you don't happen to use that or care personally.
It's like listing a car with 'no faults' and the potential buyer finding that the passenger door doesn't open. 'But I don't carry passengers' says you? It's not what you consider to be 'ok' it's what 'most people' would consider to be 'ok' we are discussing here?
And what of the world outside you, especially those advocating Linux to be 'the best' for everyone?
Ok ...
How strange. Where have I advocated Windows to anyone or even suggested it was the best thing since sliced bread (as the Linux fanboys often do when someone asks for help on Windows)? Or referred to Linux as 'Linsux' or said anything negative about OSX?
You seem to have some difficulty differentiating someone nearly forced to use something because it's the only thing that does all they want and need versus someone making the choice to use something because they happen to prefer it and being lucky enough to have to lose out on lots of stuff?
Fair enough. Every time I've looked at stuff on WINE the support is generally 'poor' or requires loads of extra work that I CBA to do, especially when I already have native access to it etc. I'll try Irfanview / WINE though as it's something I miss in a practical sense when running Linux.
Ah. Understood.
But what makes you think I am?
Sorry mate, you have said more than you probably meant at that point.
I didn't see it as being malicious but you consider it 'with good intentions'?
I think we are back to this issue of not being able (or willing) to consider things from the POV of others. The fact that you (or I) installed Linux easily on a particular machine and have been running it for some time has little or no bearing on someone who has obviously tried it, become frustrated with it and given up on it.
Unless you have a different version of the message to me?
See, Windows is the de-facto OS ATM and so many using it are doing so because 'that's what they were given' or 'cam on the PC they bought' or 'was installed for them' and they neither want or often know to look anywhere else as it seems to work for them and the kid next door can help them with it if they screw it up.
The people who often are (and even say they are) 'smug' and those who believe they have made some fantastic discovery and *chosen* to use something else as their daily desktop OS. Now, that fine, especially if they lose the smugness (as it only comes across as arrogance in any case) but it makes them look childish when they do, worse when the start with the Windoze etc. This is especially hypocritical if they still rely on Windows or Windows apps via an emulator, dual boot or a VM etc.
If I was forced to chose just one OS then it would have to be Windows because I can't do all I want on anything else. That's not my fault and it is a fact.
If you don't have such restrictions then 'of course you have the freedom to choose and then it could just be down to personal preference etc (like I don't happen to *like* (but can live with at a push) Unity or OSX for similar reasons) or because for your 'non stereotypical needs one OS is better than another (seen as more secure, is more FOSS or you are more familiar with it etc).
I'm guessing that in spite of Linux being free (and for quite some time now) and getting ever easier to install (Ubuntu / Mint etc) and more useful OOTB, there must be another reason it's still not very common on the desktop ... and that's not down to any conspiracy or marketing etc.
In these days of instant social communication, something that was actually 'better' that the alternatives and free (of cost) would normally spread like wildfire and Linux hasn't.
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Further, if we just accept whatever level Linux is at as being OK then how will it ever improve?
I have stated many examples of things that I feel could be better and some time later they appear. That's not because I personally suggested it but it was common sense to do so.
Like including a simple user button that allows ordinary users to have the system apply updates when they are available, not if / when they CBA to press the button themselves. I'm bothered about that because it's what I end up doing when I visit nearly any OS where the default isn't that they are applied automatically.
They are users, not admin's yet we are constantly pushing them to 'make sure they apply all the updates' but not making that easy to do automagically. Now, I know a good Linux geek will sift though all the updates and decide which they want to apply and when but ordinary users don't .. or do them at all.
I believe a distro did provide a simple button to allow an ordinary user the option to apply a level of updates but I forget which now (or if it still does)?
Oh another poor, sad, thick left brainer, crawls out from under it's rock ...
I guess in your sad Linux fanatic / geek world you actually count your 'virtual contacts' as 'people who *actually* know you' don't you ... Bwhahaha!
And when was I last in a 'Linux group' eh?
But you got one bit right though, compared to the skills required to install and maintain a Linux box, this ignoramus user has been happily building and maintaining Windows boxes since Windows 286 and the latest Linux reminds me very much of those days, having to manually edit files, just to make it work!
Anyway, thanks for your insight once again, how much I have missed it (not).
It takes two mate and have you ever actually read back what you have written?
No, really? I wonder why I didn't notice that when supporting them most of my working life?
Completely different issue (but nice Strawman).
Bingo. You got there in the end. And by 'their' you mean that of 'most people', especially those with 'lives'?
But the point that you are trying to avoid or is actually whooshing you is they shouldn't need to use the CLI, or edit a load of files just the get the thing to update on it's own! (The point I was referring to).
And once again with the stupid childish comments and left brained arrogance.
Too late (and not meant).
If it could allow them to browse the web, get their emails and edit and store some photos then they may well be.
See, what 'people like you' probably don't actually realise is that 'most people' have no interest in 'computers' what so ever, they just want to do what they want and with the lest effort possible.
If part of that is having the machine is that it should be updated it should do on it's own without them having to get involved in it.
The fact that you linked what you *thought* would be considered even a hint of a real solution buy anyone other than a Geek continues to say more about you then you probably realise. ;-(
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