[OT] Grenfell Tower - Officials

Like most of the country, I have been following the news, and watching in amazement and exasperation as Theresa follows fuck up with fuck up, whilst Jeremy seemingly enhances his reputation and consolidates his position as Everyman. Even Dave would have been there, high profile, Sam at his side.
Headlines today. The area is crawling with volunteers, but not an official to be seen.
Yesterday. Tons of donated supplies in the town hall, yet the doors locked and not an official to be seen. Weekend innit mate.
WTF is wrong with Theresa? She seems to have been committing political suicide ever since the dementia tax before the election. Why can these people not realise that, short term, it is not doing that is important, but being seen to be doing. Something. Anything. Why has Theresa not been screaming at every public servant in the land? Be there. Be seen. Be high profile.
Up here, it would be 'nae ma job, pal'.
Current BBC front page headline : Government team to bolster relief effort. Well, yes, but only Monday to Friday, 9-5 apparently.
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Yes - I was talking to a resident of the area yesterday who went to volunteer the day before on a day off and couldn't find anyone who could make use of any help he could give. Being youngish and fit, he could have helped move things around - but seems there were already plenty who could do that.

Heard on the radio that council officials had been told to stay home. Something about the Red Cross getting involved. The sort of thing you expect in a third world country - not one of the richest cities in the world.

Perhaps she can't do anything without her advisors. Hope that was a joke.

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Theresa seems to have poor advisors or poor judgement. Or both.
I was in favour of Theresa during the last leadership affair (Anyone but Gove!), and she seemed to start strongly, but things have gone badly wrong since then. Not good odds on her rebuilding her reputation and becoming the leader this country needs, now.
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13/8 at Paddy Power on another General Election this year ...
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What is this to do with DIY - stop this off topic posting as per group charter
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"rick" wrote in message

Why reply to an OT post then?
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What has your post got to do with DIY? ;-)
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rick wrote:

It's to do with building materials and building regs for a start.
Enough people have found the thread interesting enough to contribute to it, if this is the sort of thread you'd suggest would be disallowed in a moderated group, then long live unmoderated groups.

It's been pointed out that there *is* no charter, if you don't like off-topic stuff, set up filters to hide it, most people seem reasonable at putting [OT] or OT: tags on things these days ...
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On Sunday, 25 June 2017 14:37:35 UTC+1, Andy Burns wrote:

+1

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OT posters don't usually care what anyone else thinks.
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Same too - on the basis of the speech she made just after becoming PM. Thought a one nation Tory again at last. But with hindsight, perhaps that was written by her advisors for publicity only, as in about a year of being in charge she did precisely nothing that was promised in it. And then the manifesto goes straight back to Tory principles of cutting back spending on the poorest first.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message wrote:

Paraphrase of Trump's "America first, America first". Good call, Theresa.
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On 18/06/2017 13:27, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

They were the backbone of assistance during the worst of the blitz in WW2.
And the public didn't carry out any mob riots on the town hall either.
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On 19/06/2017 19:20, Andrew wrote:

They had nobody to organise them, mobilise them, print their signs, etc back then unlike this time.
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Only the most stupid would compare wartime bombing to a fire in a tower block. Do you work for the Express? But then they'd probably agree it is the job of a charity to help out one of the richest boroughs in the land.

Riot is another word you apparently don't know the meaning of.
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Jim, as a tory voter, I was trying not to make a political point. As to who should be there, and what they should be doing, that rather misses the point. Given the situation, and recent headlines from all sides of the political divide, the local council should have had staff there, high profile, even if they only muttered platitudes and handed out tea and sarnies to the volunteers or anyone else in need. It is not doing as such that is important, but being seen to be there. I'm not suggesting it is right or proper, or even useful, just the climate today, and anyone in politics today should know that. The world went to hell in a handcart after that dozy princess's death, but that is another story.
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jim <k> wrote:

These tenants are not the holders of the insurance. So cannot claim directly on it.
Some may not have had a bank account - and may have lost their phone.
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On 18/06/2017 15:38, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

The tenants should have household insurance even if they don't have buildings insurance. That would cover temporary housing, etc. and the insurance companies would be there to help.
Its the ones that don't have insurance that need help from the council and those that have suffered injury/lose.
Anyway I think you will find that the big problem is too many helpers and nobody knew who had gone where. There were/are people with friends neighbours, strangers and someone has to find them before any official help can happen. Some of them may not want to be found.
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remarked:

I've read that only about 1:20 such residents would be expected to have any insurance.

And perhaps those helpers hadn't been on the same training exercises as professional helpers, and so managed to Balkanise (fragment) the situation badly. The police kept on asking locals to report potential missing persons to them, and perhaps should have said "and us alone".

And some were at work, and perhaps weekly commuters too.

How many were sublet (despite it probably being against the rules).
And it does seem unlikely that there weren't a few people in the building whose visas had expired - not a political point, but just by the law of averages.
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Wonder if you've ever claimed for anything on insurance? I've no idea if such a policy exists. Or whether it would be common for someone in council accommodation to be able to afford it. Normally, in event of a fire and a flat being destroyed, the council would provide temporary accommodation.
IMHO, the only time an insurance company acts quickly is in TV ads.

Which is why there should have been people to organise the volunteers.

Hence having a central register where you could talk face to face with someone who has the basic details, and updates those as data comes in - hardly rocket science.

Wondered when you'd come out with something like that.
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