[OT] Grenfell Tower - Officials

[Roland Perry]

In message , at 14:55:30 on Wed, 21 Jun

2017, "Dave Plowman (News)" remarked:

Non-sequitur.

[whisky-dave]

So where would Dennis park or hasn't he thought of that.

[charles]

Woking - some 25 miles away - is contemplating a 62 storey tower block. I'm not sure whether it is office or residential accomodation.

[whisky-dave]

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How to you work out the best place ? Is it the cheapest place or the most c ongested place or where the rich live ? Do you think the rich would pay extra to have a fire station next door or a t the end of the street ?

In theory they should move to the areas where they are most needed. My local one was London s smallest fire station, but they enlarged iit and it now has 2 engines rather than just one.

They don;t just work on fires either, they cut people out of cars on motorw ays and rescue people up those stupid thrill rides.

you can watch TV on your phone almost anywhere, but you might not be able t o store your uniform and any other things you might need such as oxygen tan ks pnumatic cutters, breathing apperatus these aren't the sort of things yo u should be carrying to work on a daily basis.

Unless it's in the wrong direction facing the wrong way. They might be better off employing a medium and a crystal ball sop they can find out where the next foire will be and park up and wait.

Do you have any idea how many events go on in London on an average day ? Was there a specail event going on at Grenfell Tower went it caught fire ? The kings cross fire years ago did that happen during one of these specail events ?

Maybe take a look at time out see how many events take place. or perhaps it depends what yuo mean by specail.

[Roland Perry]

In message , at 16:12:58 on Wed, 21 Jun 2017, charles remarked:

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The high ladder-platform was from Surrey.

Regular ladders-platforms reach about to the 11th floor.

Essex has five of those platforms, stationed as far out as Chelmsford.

[Dave Liquorice]

"Ambulance

When we first moved here (nearly 20 years ago) one of the GP's would attend the more serious Ambulance calls. Picking bikers out of the dry stone walls sort of serious. The Ambulance crew were unpaid volunteers, not associated with the Cottage Hospital Minor Injuries Unit or the GP practice. They had no formal Ambulance training but well experienced in First Aid. The GP attending stopped after a few years when, I think, the GP contract changed.

We had a period of a paramedic being on duty up here but the paramedics didn't like it as they'd only get a couple of calls/week. Personally I'd see it as a bit of R&R after taking the physical and verbal abuse while attempting to treating the self inflicted injuries of binge drinking "revellers". The paramedic was either on a motor bike or in a car, patient transport to anywhere other than the Cottage Hospital or their local home required an ambulance coming in or the Air Ambulance.

What we have now is retained (paid to be on call), formally trained and getting CPD, Ambulance crew, with a modern Ambulance. I think they can transport patients to the distant hospitals but that then requires a "foreign" ambulance to come in and get lost looking for a call to "Middle Top Farm" that is not visible from the public road and 3/4 mile down a dirt track behind, one gate of many. Full postcode based satnav will get you to the middle of a field within

1/2 a mile, if you're lucky. The local crew would just go straight there.

[charles]

and you will have read that an air ambulance was sent Shetland rather than Orkney where it was neede.

[Dave Liquorice]

Most town centers have 4 or 5 storey buildings, many will have buildings with more floors. Full time Fire Fighters receive full training at the Fire Service College. They might not have much experience but they'll know the proceedures.

I'd expect one local engine to stay and be supported by outside engines. See my other post about Ambulances, local knowledge is invaluable. Anything from road works on Bridge Street to it's 1700, traffic will be backed up from the junction between X Street and Y Avenue and there isn't any space for the backed up traffic to get out of the way. It'll be quicker to use a less direct route.

[rick]

What is this to do with DIY - stop this off topic posting as per group charter

[Richard]

Why reply to an OT post then?

[Dave Plowman (News)]

What has your post got to do with DIY? ;-)

[Andy Burns]

It's to do with building materials and building regs for a start.

Enough people have found the thread interesting enough to contribute to it, if this is the sort of thread you'd suggest would be disallowed in a moderated group, then long live unmoderated groups.

It's been pointed out that there *is* no charter, if you don't like off-topic stuff, set up filters to hide it, most people seem reasonable at putting [OT] or OT: tags on things these days ...

[tabbypurr]

+1

OT posters don't usually care what anyone else thinks.

[spuorgelgoog]

The news reports featured a woman firefighter in her first week on duty

Ms Cachia told The Telegraph: "This was the first proper job really where I have seen actual flames."

Owain

[Roland Perry]

In message , at

08:39:37 on Sun, 25 Jun 2017, [e-mail] remarked:

First week, so not that many fires attended yet.

[Dave Liquorice]

really

Central London, wouldn't be surprised at 2 shouts a shift...

Google for "london fire brigade incident records" for a spread sheet hosted on data.gov.uk. Monthly per station data from Jan 09 to Oct 15 across 20 categories.

[dennis]

Its interesting that about 50% of those incidents were false alarms, the vast majority being automatic alarms. Malicious false alarms were about 3%.

Then there were actual fires at about 25%.

The other 25% being special services, the majority of which were lift releases.