OT: EU more expensive than my ex-wife

[The Natural Philosopher]

If there was any better reas9on to leave hard and fast and give the EU the finger, I haven't seen one.

[Andy Burns]

UK faces hefty Brexit bill as EU negotiators take tough stance

Brexit negotiators in the European Union are pushing for a draft UK exit deal by mid 2018 as part of a narrow, divorce-first negotiating approach. The rigid plans could demand an exit bill of as much as ?40bn-?60bn. Brussels? plans for the process, outlined to the FT by senior officials, show it is making a priority of a clean separation settlement over a desire in the City to focus on refashioning trading relations. Michel Barnier, the commission?s chief Brexit negotiator, has indicated to colleagues that he will pursue Britain for an exit bill based on an expansive view of its liabilities under the EU budget.

I briefly heard something about that on the radio yesterday.

[tabbypurr]

Nothing readable on that link. Clicked another and again nothing visible.

Why would UK pay it though? Who's going to make us?

NT

[The Natural Philosopher]

Blimey. My old account from years ago which I don't pay for seems to have let me read it.

[The Natural Philosopher]

It seems I still have an account that works that I never paid for...

"The EU?s Brexit negotiators are pushing for a draft UK exit deal by mid-2018 as part of a narrow, divorce-first negotiating approach that would demand an exit bill of as much as ?40bn-?60bn."

Gee thanks fellas.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

It entirely depends on whether the UK wants to have some form of trade and or services agreement with the EU after leaving.

There is the odd screwball like Turnip who think we don't need to. After all Trump is so in favour of trade agreements that we can just substitute the US for the EU. As we were promised by the leave brigade. And India of course. Except that they seem to be demanding free movement of people as part of a deal.

And don't forget the old Commonwealth countries. Despite telling them to f-off when we joined the EU, they'll all want to come back for more. Canada for one. But hold - they've just done a deal with the EU.

There's a hole in my bucket, dear Liza...

[Andy Burns]

Whatever happened to micropayments?

[tim...]

it lets you have a dozen articles per month (provided that you have left it to remember your log in)

I never need more

tim

[tim...]

There's no cost effective way to collect them

all the attempts at one, seem to have failed

tim

[tabbypurr]

What nonsense. Just because a seller says you can only have this if you pay billions doesn't make it so. No-one in their right mind would even contemp late such an offer. It's just posturing. The EU is feeling weak and embarra ssed by UK and is going to posture a good while.

NT

[whisky-dave]

They got so small they disapeard down the side of the sofa.

Anyway A friend told me when he had a subscription to one of the major large tabloids that something kept going wrong with his account after he paid for it. They told him not to worry it didn't work very well and if the problem persists gave him the info to delete something in the cache. So now he's stopped paying and just deletes that file.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

A seller can charge what they like. They can't be forced to sell anything to you - anymore than you can be forced to buy it.

Impression I get is 'the EU' is mightily pissed off with the UK demanding its own way with everything. In exactly the same way as the UK would be with the positions reversed.

If BREXIT really did mean BREXIT and the UK simply cut off all ties to the EU and started afresh with a new deal or whatever after leaving it would be fairy nuff. But no-one in a position of power is contemplating committing economic suicide.

[pamela]

The EU is going take steps to encourage members not follow the UK's example by making the terms for Britain after Brexit as uncomfortable as possible. I don't think it's weak and embarassed at all. It's strong and annoyed.

All that nonsense about the EU needing Britain more than Britain needs the EU is just stiff upper lip.

[tim...]

I'm inclined to agree

getting "nasty" about terms of future trading is one thing, but insisting that we make a lump sum contribution for "our" part of the next 10 years EU spending is a nonsense.

tim

[Tim Streater]

Quite so. No reason for us to pay one red cent.

[bert]

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes

At minimum we will have under WTO rules. Depends on whether the EU wants to trade with us.

The EU doesn't have a trade deal with the US.

More remoaner lies. May has made it clear that will not be the case.

No it was the EU that told them where to go.

They do indeed.

So what's the problem with us having a trade deal with Canada. You're not still rolling out that old shit about only having one trade deal.

You should stop these stupid comments which just confirm you are as thick as the proverbial and don't understand anything about trade and trade deals.

[bert]

I see Merkel is beginning to feel the pressure.

[bert]

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes

Well I'm glad to hear some in the EU have some sense but I'm not totally convinced. After all the commissioners are not accountable to any electorate.

[bert]

If that were the case why would it feel the need to make an example?

All of which comes from remoaners.

[The Natural Philosopher]

If there was any better reas9on to leave hard and fast and give the EU

Indeed. WE could take £50bn and use it to subsidise UK industry for exports, to better effect.

The EU is morally, spiritually, financially and democratically bankrupt, and the sooner we start ignoring it and moving on, the better.