OT: Employees and the snowflake generation

This got me thinking about my own early working experiences and how things are different now. Better?
Took an apprentice on, hes frankly not developing after 8 months. Been as patient as humanly possible but he's careless, untidy, poor punctuality, slow to the point where he's actually holding the job up.
He had a week off so I got a reminder of how absolutely piss easy his job is so decided to manage him better on his return. 20 years of age (19 when we took him on), not worked before, I don't want to just bin him off I'd rather right by him. We had words and i've been monitoring him more closely, encouraging him to work faster/more efficient & tidier and (gently) cracking the whip so to speak.
He's told his dad we are bullying him at work, dad's response rather than suggest he gets his shit together in the first paid employment he's had, or talk to us, was to call the training company and tell them we are depressing him.
So we had someone in today from the 'safeguarding' dept. No wonder this country is fucked.
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Are you receiving any government money for taking on an apprentice?

What "training company"?
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On 21/05/2019 18:57, The Marquis Saint Evremonde wrote:

No, i'm actually paying £350 towards the NVQ he's doing.
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Perhaps you need to point out to him (and his Dad), that he's not being bullied, he's being managed, and that lesson 1 is to learn the difference between them.
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On Tue, 21 May 2019 22:11:24 +0100, Tim Streater wrote:

Aye, call a meeting of everyone, apprentice, Dad, training Co. Then before wasteing any more time ask the lad if he's actually interested in the apprenticeship or would he much rather be doing (working/apprenticeship) something else, don't allow Dad or Training Co to answer. He may well have simply followed the course of least resistance when signing up rather than puting any effort into finding work/apprenticeship that he'd actually be interested in.
If he appears to be genuinely interested, explain the problem(s). Don't allow interjections during this otherwise the discussion is likely to get side tracked. If you have documentary evidence (time sheets, NVQ "work book"/records?) otherwise it's likely to become a "you said, he said".
Ultimately the bottom line being if the lad doesn't pull his finger out you can't justify the expense and you'll have to "let him go" and he won't get his NVQ.

How apt...
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On 22/05/2019 08:59, Dave Liquorice wrote:

How much longer does an NVQ take? It's May. If it's not much longer, I'd keep him on until he's finished it and regard it as a charitable donation!
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On 22/05/2019 14:40, GB wrote:

It's 12 months, we were thinking along similar lines.
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On 22/05/2019 16:19, R D S wrote:

In that case, I'd probably go a bit easier on him, but I'm soft. There's no point putting loads of effort in.
At the end of his course, I suggest telling him what you have in mind and ask him whether he really wants to shape up or get out.
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On 22/05/2019 16:29, GB wrote:

Well then you can join me in a life of being skint and aggravated! Unless you are blessed with good luck.
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On 21/05/2019 18:57, The Marquis Saint Evremonde wrote:

I don't know the full ins and outs of it but it appears you can set up a private company and match trainees to businesses.
Sometimes there's an incentive to the business, sometimes the business makes a small contribution to their training, so the Govt must chuck money at it and given that 2 people per month come to train him, one for his NVQ and another in Maths and English and the execs of the business are earning 6 figures, it must be a fair sum per head.
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On 21/05/2019 18:14, R D S wrote:

I'd fire him - he can laze around his dad's house forever then...
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On 21/05/2019 19:01, Tim Watts wrote:

His dysfunctional Kyle-worthy family (I could write a mini-series) have recently separated, pretty sure his dad is currently sofa surfing.
This has been conveniently forgotten while he's accusing us of damaging his mental health, while in fact it's one of the reasons we are being as patient as we are with him.
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On Wednesday, 22 May 2019 10:12:43 UTC+1, R D S wrote:

major mistake.
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On Wednesday, 22 May 2019 10:12:43 UTC+1, R D S wrote:

The solution is simple. Give him performance targets based on your document ed performance on the job. He won't meet them. Meet with him & explain his deficiency and give remedial training. Go round that loop twice then fire h im. Everything must be documented. Your failure to object to his behaviour for 8 months will certainly count against you if it goes to tribunal.
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On 22/05/2019 14:48, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

Can he go to tribunal within 2 years?

Personally, I applaud RDS's caring approach. I'd try and help as much as I felt able to.
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On Wednesday, 22 May 2019 14:57:57 UTC+1, GB wrote:

mented performance on the job. He won't meet them. Meet with him & explain his deficiency and give remedial training. Go round that loop twice then fi re him. Everything must be documented. Your failure to object to his behavi our for 8 months will certainly count against you if it goes to tribunal.

Playing victim isn't caring. Either he can be trained to do what's required of the job or he can't. If he can't, someone else will be glad to.
NT
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On 22/05/2019 15:30, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

Clearly, if there's no hope the apprentice can be trained up, then you are doing him a favour by sparing him the ongoing pressure of trying.
However, the alternative is that he is perfectly capable of getting there eventually, but he's immature and not used to making a real effort at things. Of course, that makes him a real PITA for RDS, so it's a question of how much patience RDS still has left.

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On Wednesday, 22 May 2019 15:59:26 UTC+1, GB wrote:

cumented performance on the job. He won't meet them. Meet with him & explai n his deficiency and give remedial training. Go round that loop twice then fire him. Everything must be documented. Your failure to object to his beha viour for 8 months will certainly count against you if it goes to tribunal.

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ired of the job or he can't. If he can't, someone else will be glad to.

People can get there eventually if they're genuinely trying. Those folk I h ave plenty of patience for. The ones described in the OP should be got shot of in 2 days. That's just enough time to do the training, assessment, reme diation loop if you take the time out to do so. Failure to do so is being a mug.
That's one of the things wrong with British industry. So many people contin ue to pay time wasters that they learn that they can waste everyone's time. It's as much employers' fault as it is employees'.
NT
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On 22/05/2019 14:57, GB wrote:

Yep.

I'm not apologising for the way I am, I'd do it the same way again as it's not in me to treat people like a commodity but sadly NT is correct.
I doubt bollocks and his dad were awake at 5 this morning, still outraged, and up at 6 scouring the ACAS website.
I blame the parents. This is the second person i've employed who have never made a brew*.
*This is now a future interview question.
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There is the problem.
We’ve whole families where no one works, not because they can’t find work but because they are supported by taxpayers and have quite a comfortable life- house, food, tv, ......
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