OT: An Electric Vehicle Owner Speaks Out...

[mbailey888]

No rush. BMW have dropped their plans to go EV-only on the timescales the Greenies wanted and have re-commenced developing more efficient diesels instead.

[The Natural Philosopher]

No. The eco hippies used to vandalise 4x4s. wait till the Ordinary Citizem has finished witrh ULEZ cameras....

[Handsome Jack]

27/6/1975 - Herbert Kiebler shot and killed trying to cross Berlin Wall. "A reminder that the defining characteristic of a socialist regime is coercion, not equality."

How long has Julian Assange been imprisoned without trial?

[Spike]

You might be interested in seeing the opening five-minute sequence of the Netflix serial ‘3 Body Problem’.

Hint: The sequence is set in China in 1966, it concerns a University physics professor being confronted by students and agents of the State concerning his views on what preceded the Big Bang. It doesn’t end well.

[Tim Streater]

No time at all, AFAIK. He spent some years in a foreign embassy avoiding the judicial process, and is currently in extradition proceedings. As he has form for running away, I expect they have denied him bail.

[Handsome Jack]

Is he not in Belmarsh, then?

WTF has that got to do with whether he is in prison without trial?

[Alan Lee]

Yes, and he deserves to be there. If he had surrendered to the arrest warrant earlier, he may already have completed his sentence if he was found guilty.

He isnt, he's on remand, which is the usual outcome for people who are wanted for a crime, and are likely to abscond. He has shown he has tried to evade the Law before, so why give him a second chance to escape?

[Tim Streater]

Is that where he is. Interesting but irrelevant.

Extradition proceedings involve a court hearing with a judge, shit-for-brains. Do keep up.

[blacky]

You are wrong.

Yes

But has had no trial.

Still time without trial.

[Joe]

So exactly why is he being extradited to the US for an alleged crime committed in Sweden, to which he has never been returned for trial?

[Alan Lee]

Yes, do keep up. Computer hacking and espionage are the charges in the USA. Reports have been made that his publication of the details he hacked/was given to him (who knows?) led to the deaths of people in the document because their names were revealed as either working for the USA or passed on intelligence to the USA. There are a list of other things he is alleged to have done too.

[Colin Bignell]

Two different sets of crimes. He was originally arrested in connection with crimes he was accused of in Sweden which, IIRC, have now time expired. The extradition to the USA is for crimes he is accused of there.

[Colin Bignell]

He is on remand, which means he has appeared before magistrates.

[Rod Speed]

But that is not a TRIAL.

[SteveW]

And the crimes he was accused of in Sweden are not even crimes in the UK.

IIRC, the crimes that the US want him for are not crimes in Sweden.

[Alan Lee]

So what? If he escaped to another country after f****ng a 12 yo girl here, but it was legal in that Country, would that be right? Of course it wouldnt.

Again, so what? Different alleged crimes. And really, Sweden allows computer hacking to go unpunished? Release of classified material is allowed in Sweden, when that information leads to the murder of people in the documents?

[Colin Bignell]

That could be why I had it in the back of my mind that the Swedes were rather less likely to extradite him to the USA than the UK.

[Alan Lee]

I think it was the opposite, that's why he fled to the Ecuador Embassy in London for 7 years, he thought that if he was in Sweden, he'd be sent straight to the USA. It says a lot that Ecuador gave him asylum in their Embassy, but got so sick of him that they allowed the UK Police in to arrest him.

[Colin Bignell]

I was under the impression that was simply an excuse to try to resist being sent back to Sweden and that legal experts disagreed. ICBA to Google it though.

[alan_m]

Motorway offered him 33% of the original purchase price! The price on a dealer forecourt may be somewhere near 48% but it's not necessarily the price the existing owner may get in part exchange or if selling via the half dozen "buy anything" type companies.