Here's Why New York Just Banned Electric Vehicles (and Your State is Next)

And don't forget there ain't a charging station on every other corner like there is a gas station ;-)

Exactly! And once you find a charging station, then you have to find a charger that works.

The problem is not the EV's but governments forcing us to own them using the scare of climate change. Currently most people do not want them for lack of infra structure and cost. They should keep hands off and let the market develop naturally. If you press them they will tell you any effect on climate change is very small.

The government isn't forcing anyone to own EVs.

Climate change is not a "scare". It's real.

The more pressing issue is that there is a finite amount of oil remaining while annual consumption is increasing worldwide. Waiting for it to run out before replacing it whould be not just foolish, but would collapse the world economy. Before that it will lead to resource wars (which may already have started in the Ukraine conflict). As it is, it may already be too late to stave off future resource conflicts (e.g. the Spratley's).

After all, it takes energy to make energy. See the "Energy Trap".

Climate change is a factor, but so is the oil supply. It is a finite material. We won't run out next year but this is a good time to come up with alternatives.

Remember how people complained about $5 gas? As it becomes more scare, more expensive to drill, it will be much more than that for our grandkids.

The government should not force, but some nudges can be a good thing.

Instead of people ridiculing EV owners, they should thank them for being a part of the development for a better products. They are the ones bringing about the change and increased infrastructure.

As for charging station that work, many have been intentionally damaged by the same idiots that block them with their diesel pickups. Their brains have not fully developed.

Climate has always been changing but it is not something to panic over and accept draconian government mandates used to get more control over us.

Right.

And remember that just a short 10,000 years ago-- an eye-blink in geological timer-- the norther hemisphere was covered in a layer of ice hundreds of feet deep.

I also recall that back in the 60's and 70's, the media was screaming about deadly global cooling and predicting another Ice Age as the average temp had dropped a degree or two over a decade!!

Quick. Run and tell the king!!

Sure, burning 100 million tons of fuel every day for the past 100+ years would make no difference. Look at the science.

The methods to change don't have to be draconian, but at some point we do have to change. Some people would rather fight it though.

I believe in science and spent most of my life in R&D. In some of the pathways being pursued, the view is not worth the climb, e.g. offshore wind farms. Nuclear is probably the way to go for electricity but those that promote wind and solar just throw obstacles in the way of building new nuclear plants.

The obvious fallacy in your arguments is that the historic climate changes happen over a 10,000 to 100,000 year period, giving the planetary ecosystem time to adapt. When the changes occur in a less than 100 year timeframe, the system cannot adapt fast enough.

Not to mention that historically, CO2 has remained within a small range during the time since the modern human evolved, and that range is being exceeded as this is written. Terra incognito, indeed.

You must have some scientific or engineering basis for that statement. Please enlighten us with your wisdom, rather than making bald unsupported statements.

Nuclear is probably the way to go for electricity but those

Nuclear fission is certainly a part of the energy mix. It cannot, however, provide the daily 18Twh used globally. Yes, there is

snipped-for-privacy@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) wrote in news:j%tYN.60306$TyYf.1458 @fx15.iad:

Think about that for a moment and consider what the government is doing. If there was a real and measurable benefit to using less energy overall why doesn't someone encourage people to conserve all forms of energy and thus do with less. No, we really want to use more engergy and hide the true cost.

EVs, according to the USA government testing, actually uses more energy than gas vehicles. The stated reason was the additional weight of the EVs and their battery, compared to other vehicle models on the same roadways.

That was a nice myth to tell children. Have you noticed the number of new oil fields found that are easy to tap and reside in the USA and dwarf previous fields found offshore? Now Biden and others have restricted the USA from producing energy.

Have you been living in a cave the past 30 years? Energy Star appliances have considerably reduced the power consumed. There are many programs for conservation, such as insulation and efficiency.

Can you cite some specifics? What type of energy? We want to move away from fossil fuel to renewable so that is a consideration.

Ease of use does not make it any less finite. Still makes sense to conserve. If we use less for autos now, that means in 40 years there will still be some for jet airplanes.

Ed P snipped-for-privacy@snet.xxx wrote in news:6632e768$0$3711192$ snipped-for-privacy@reader.netnews.com:

There a few if any renewable resourse. Tapping them causes unintended changes. As an example look at the solar grid in the East that was detroyed when it caused a storm that has never happened there.

I heard an announcement from one of the travel arms of the USA government a month or two back on USENET. NTSB? I looked up the gov site and it had some details but perhaps not enough for you. Their conclusion was the heavier EVs caused more wear on the roads and during changing speed as compared to classic cars. I did a search and found this article with many details that should be informative. Sorry for the wrapped link.

Sure, weight does affect things. We should get rid of the people using an F350 to haul a bag of groceries too. Huge savings to be had with smaller cars. Most of us could easily get by with a Smart, Fiat, Pinto, etc. If you want to complain about weight, lets all go on the diet.

As for renewable resources, look the the sky. That big bright thing up there puts enough energy on the earth to cover all our needs.

All the Energy Star appliances in the world are a drop in the bucket compared to one AI data center.

Everyone wants their new, shiny toys. The environment impact of those toys is out of sight, out of mind. Thinking about the overall picture hurts their little heads.

Musk has fired the entire Supercharger division. I wonder how that will impact charging stations in the future?

Don't forget crypto currency mining.

Oil is WAY to valuable a resource to burn. When petroleum is all used up the feedstocks for the vast majority of the chemical industry will be gone as well