No more mansize

[Richard]

[RJH]

Yes, on remand for rape. Disgusting if true. You seem to be citing that case for a reason though - and I'm not sure if that's because you think trans people tend to behave that way. Presumably not.

If you read the whole article, it's mainly about faults in the prison system and sex offenders.

I suspect most women do too. Is that your point - and the reason for citing the Guardian report? if so, I suggest you read the whole report and provide a better example of the point that you're trying to make.

Which you choose to embellish with phrases such as 'stupid nonsense', trivialise by saying 'it's not a real problem', and attempting to appear clever by citing incomplete and out of context dictionary entries.

I'm not sure what you think TBH.

[NY]

My school had two classes in each year. One class was supposedly clever than the other. I was in the "cleverer" class which had to do Latin and German; the other class had to do Biology and Ancient History. There was no way for me to do Biology and German - I asked and my parents asked, but the school were inflexible on that policy. Morons! It was an idiotic policy because it more or less means that none of the cleverer children could do medicine or any other career which requires biology A level which in turn requires biology O level.

[Tim Watts]

In the UK, you cannot get a birth certificate amended for a change of name, on the basis it reflects your name at the time.

A similar principle would seem to apply here.

[Tim Watts]

OK - your turn.

Do you think persons born male should be able to compete in women's sporting events and persons with male parts allowed to use women only facilities (loos, changing rooms, prisons, etc)?

If so - why?

[samchunk]

Yep, particularly when changing their brats nappys.

Because the brat may not be too keen on having its nappy changed on the bonnet of the car etc.

[NY]

Many gents' loos now have a fold-out nappy-changing table similar to what I presume has been in ladies' loos for ages.

[NY]

What happens when someone such as a witness in a major trial is issued with a new identity to protect them from retribution? Is their original birth certificate and the corresponding official record replaced with a new one in the new name, to create a "legend" which extends back in time to *before* the change of identity? If not, what happens if the person needs a birth certificate, National Insurance number or driving licence to prove their ID? Presumably just issuing a deed poll for the change of name would not be enough because anyone who wanted to could find the new name from the old name.

[Tim Watts]

I have no idea, but that is a very very special case in a situation where many norms and normal legal requirements are bypassed.

[Marland]

It is a disability,their bodies are not working like those of the majority of females. Having a disability isn?t very nice but stating the obvious isn?t cruel it is just acknowledging of the way things are . Would saying most human beings stand up on two legs and have two arms be regarded as cruel to those born with a limb missing.

All this pussyfooting around to avoid upsetting people is getting ridiculous, at some stage circumstances have to be confronted for what they are and ignoring them leads to raised hopes and expectations that are taken as promises which then turn out to be impossible to accommodate leading to distress when the hopes are dashed. That is cruel.

GH

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Well, quite. But the idea a whole lot of straight men want to classify themselves as women and cross dress to get access to women only places is a bit far fetched. If they want to do this, why bother about classification?

[Dave Plowman (News)]

But you've been quoting 'special cases' as if they were the norm.

[Tim Watts]

The cases I quoted were examples to illustrate how the rules have been changed to allow more of the same.

Wait long enough and it will become more prevalent. You're just playing with words now.

[Tim Watts]

And further more, the "special case" was a witness protection programme. This is a scenario that neither puts others at risk nor at an unfair competitive disadvantage.

Anyway - I've said my piece, which is a completely reasonable and fair position to take:

People can live as they like, *as long as* it doesn't cause problems for innocent bystanders.

There is no more libertarian, ethical or logically sound viewpoint that that in my opinion.

I refuse to waste anymore time playing word games rather than actual debate, so this thread is now binned.

[The Natural Philosopher]

In general those who are of the 'liberal left' persiusaion do not think. They absorb predigested opinions fron the BBC, the guardian or whatver notional source of 'true facts' they have grown up believing in.

Anything that conflicts with the worldview they have absorbed is simply dismissed as 'nonsense'.

Such people I have foudn are usually of rather low actual self esteem, so adopting a preformed set of opinions is how they get their self esteem, and it is the loss of that false sense of self esteem that is so violently defended by their cognitive dissonance.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Even a totally gay male?

[Dave Plowman (News)]

The 'rules' in question haven't been changed yet. They are merely up for discussion.

It's been long known that some countries played with the genetics of their female athletes using drugs.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

As opposed to the likes of you who believe every word your idol Farage said?

[whisky-dave]

probably

without such media we'd be back in the dark ages beliving God made the thunder.

But that still doesn't make it the most important thing in the world does it.

[whisky-dave]

Yes , whatever a totally gay male is.