Hybrid Cars

Very interesting article about this flawed concept in Autocar this week including owner's views. Far too long to quote here - it's several pages - and it's not on the website. So anyone interested will just have to buy it. ;-)
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:00:20 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
There's nothing wrong with the concept, we just need better batteries.
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Which are here. It is matter of getting production up and the price down.
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:08:15 +0000, Andy Dingley

'Any' battery that needs charging, unless charged environmentally friendlylyly simply moves the pollution / problem elsewhere .. hence 'flawed' ...
A hydrid car that only charges it's batteries via energy initially input from an IC engine (that should cover the 'regen braking' fans) is an IC engined powered car. If it's charged from the 'mains' (in the UK) then it's a gas / oil powered car ..
I own several (pure) electric vehicles and they are certianly not the solution to the problem. Hybrid'ing simply increases the range / performance it does not provide a solution (even with a 'synergy drive' <lol>) or hasn't yet (when hybrids can do many more mpg than many 'stock' cars today then we might be getting somewhere).
All the best ..
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p.s. How warm do you have to keep the garage for your hybrid / electric car in the winter (to reduce cold battery capacity loss ..) and where does that heating energy come from? ;-)
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T i m wrote:

AIUI the point is that it is (or can be) a more efficient IC engine powered car since the IC engine can always be run under the most fuel efficient conditions instead of being geared to the road wheels.
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Yet, and that they do. The hybrid is regarded as a stop-gap before fuel cells come in. Battery technology have leaped and some Prius cars with larger battery packs are getting 130mpg. So, this may push the fuel cell cars back further. Then put on a super smooth and quiet Stirling engine instead of the IC and matters are even better. The best is yet to come.
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Stop telling lies, dribble.
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flatulence wrote in message wrote:> > Yet, and that they do. The hybrid is regarded as a stop-gap before fuel

** snip senile botty talk **
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

I think this 130mpg figure comes from "charge batteries (from mains or engine), drive 130 miles, see that you have used 1 gallon of fuel, assume this means 130mpg". What you have actually done is 130 miles-per-(gallon of petrol plus whatever was used to charge the batteries). Not the same.
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Yup. This is exactly how it fiddles the combined figure. No-one has ever got near it in practice.
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Same with how they fiddle the urban and extra-urban miles in government tests. They always start the tests fully charged.
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** snip lots of botty talk **
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flatulence wrote in message wrote:

** snip senile babble **
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 12:58:08 -0000, "Doctor Drivel"

miles per gallon of what?
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Lord Hall, mpg of Multimasters. That you can probably understand.
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Bullshit?
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flatulence wrote in message wrote:

Lots more botty talk here.
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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 14:12:51 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"

Can't be anything but :-)
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Lord Hall, that stuff is free. But is all cars ran on it the price would go right up.
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Please reduce the resolution of your screen so your failing eyesight can actually see what you've typed. Or better still ask your nurse to check it for you.
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