Hospitals

Delighted to say wife came home yesterday, after her fall last Sunday, and Operation Monday.
While she was there, I went in daily. A large multi story for visitors and substantial ground level outside car park for staff. The staff car park was stuffed to the gunnels Monday to Friday, but probably less than ten per cent full at the weekend. Card controlled, so no outsiders. Who was not here at the weekend? Hospital ran as normal, nurses, support staff, physios, concession staff, porters, cleaners, kitchen staff etc. Presumably a few surgeons and senior doctors don't work weekends, but who were all the others? Surely not all admin. staff, 9-5 M-F pen pushers?
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On 07/10/2019 09:56, Graeme wrote:

They tend to try and empty wards for weekends so less doctors and nurses needed.
They won't have as many radiographers, and lab staff in.
They won't have many receptionists in.
fewer consultants and their staff.
the list goes on.
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On 07/10/2019 09:56, Graeme wrote:

Oh yes. Admin is massive in the NHS and mostly useless pointless and obese.
Alaos whilst routine care is avaailable at wekends consulatnats and specialists tend to be off or manning A&E only .
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So true. And mostly engaged in writing protocols, policies and guidelines which require more managers to enforce them.

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On 07/10/2019 12:03, Roger Hayter wrote:

Many are department secretaries - taking, cancelling and amending appointments; dealing with requests to departments for prescriptions for meds that are only prescribed by hospitals; dealing with patients' telephone queries, etc. All very necessary.
I agree that there is too much paperwork though.
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Why does your comment not surprise me?
But then I'd guess you'd prefer a doctor to write the letter etc to you confirming an appointment. Only the top man for you in everything.
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On 07/10/2019 10:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Were you stood behind me on Thursday?
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On 07/10/2019 20:15, ARW wrote:

Nop. Its te same everywhere. Being of a certain age I go into hopsipatls many times a year fior royine this and that. The 'girl at te desk; is always enormous, alwaysw mildly oincompetemt and unable to use teh ciomputer systems effectively, and essentially someone I would never employ. Once pas that barrier, te nurses and technicians are mostly highly professional and competent and the consulatants usually excellent, with one or two glaring exceptions. And its not a case of "Consultant X" was from Country Y therefore all people from there are crap'
As I said best heart surgeon to date was a hot Persian bird. Worst was I think mildly Irish. Worst consultant was indian. Had a brilliant Nigerian GP briefly, and a seen a totally crap Nigerian consultant in A & E make two wrong diagnoses, corrected by the next duty doctor after the nurses had spoken to the patient and correctly diagnosed it amongst themselves.
Ther are bad apples in the cinsulatncey arena but the NHS is always scared of firing them until they have killed people.
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On 08/10/2019 09:53, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

They must see TNP coming as my experience has been nothing like that in any hospital I have been in.
Maybe he calls them cnuts and they react accordingly?
I generally find all the staff pleasant and they know my name without me having to tell them, including the reception staff.
They also know what they are doing.
I did discover that the appointments office never gets any thanks so I took a box of biscuits in and the manager nearly cried, I have never had trouble getting the appointment I want since. 8-)
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On 08/10/2019 12:27, dennis@home wrote:

The senior thoracic surgeon at the local south wales hospital where I worked in the 70's was known by the theatre nurses and blood bank technicians as 'Chopper Harley'.
We were always handing out O neg and hurredly xmatching more units when he was operating.
A couple of years later when I moved to a London teching hospital I soon noticed that the same operations were being done without using any of the xmatched units at all. Every day a dozen or so blood packs would be returned to general available stock after the patient had had the op and gone on to ITU. This was the difference between being admitted to a teaching hospital in the 70's or a crummy local hospital.
All the junior surgeons knew he was incompetent, but could not speak out, without destroying their own career.
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On 07/10/2019 10:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

But it will be almost non-existent after Brexit.
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On 07/10/2019 20:33, mm0fmf wrote:

I doubt it somehow. NHS is a sacred cow and so are those admin staff.
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On 07/10/2019 20:33, mm0fmf wrote:

As it will if Corbyn gets into power and wipes out the UK economy.
Add on the loss of potentially all the existing 29% of total income tax that the top 1% of earners pay and the public services are toast.
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Once Boris has sold it off to the Americans waiting lists will disappear. Along with most of the patients who won't be able to afford treatment.
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On 07/10/2019 10:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

In my mothers case the right hand has no idea what the left hand is doing. According to the admin staff at the local hospital my mother has been in a ward for the past 4 weeks - she has been at home with care workers coming in twice a day during this time.
The medical care has been good.
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On Monday, 7 October 2019 21:30:05 UTC+1, alan_m wrote:

I had to cancel loads of appointments for mine as she was in the chiller.
Owain
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But Turnip has just said admin is pointless? Surely he couldn't be wrong about this? Too?

Absolutely.
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On 08/10/2019 16:40, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

From my observations too many admin staff duplicating tasks, jobsworths or generally performing inefficiency.
I get the strong impression that at the local hospital _CURRENT_ records are kept in both paper and electronic forms. The paper records are transferred to electronic form _LONG_ after the event hence when going for after care the staff look on the computer for the records and get the wrong answers. My mother now keeps a record of appointments and what was done etc. that she takes with her to her after care appointments. This is to get over the problem when turning up for an appointment, say, on a Wednesday only to be told that she needs an X-ray first and which she actually had the day before.
In my local doctor's surgery all records are kept electronically with the doctor entering information during the appointment (I can also see my test results etc. over the internet)
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Ha! On one occasion the bloke typed busily after the consultation and then printed a prescription. It wasn't until I'd gone round to reception to get the prescription filled that I noticed it said "For Mrs Joe Bloggs". The fathead had been typing my notes into the wrong patient record.
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On 11/10/2019 10:22, Tim Streater wrote:

Yes our GP practice managed to get a large chunk of my son's entries in my wife's record. It caused problems with repeat prescriptions and repeat appointments for ages. They can't just take it out either - patient records are a legal record and sections cannot be deleted. An amendment can be added, but that doesn't help when they don't read far enough to get to that!
SteveW
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