Grenfell Tower - Celotex

It was mentioned by a fireman on TV.

But yes. Let's hope any enquiry is comprehensive and findings acted on. Sad it has taken a disaster of this magnitude for some to realise building regs etc aren't just red tape to annoy people.

some of use already knew that .......

In message , at 17:22:08 on Wed, 21 Jun

Missing or, not working?

It's a see-saw. There are some, I've been told, who are fed up with red tape from un-elected bureaucrats (of which there as just as many in the UK, where 80% of our laws derive; the 20% of EU-derived ones get a bad press).

Some certainly are. Some are life saving. And every shade inbetween also exists. There are perfectly ok houses around that meet hardly any current BRs. And equally there are unsatisfactory ones that do (Grenfell?).

If BR vanished we'd be back to how it was over a century ago. Some houses were built properly to last, some weren't and haven't survived the test of time. And some have worked well, some have been unsatifactory.

NT

there are, but at least there is the possibility to change them & their laws. And they don't insist we hand over billions of pounds every year, with silly excuses to up the bill greatly every so often.

NT

In message , at

It's easier to do that in Brussels than Westminster. Apart from anything else you can recruit the help of lots of like-minded EU states to pursue a common policy aim.

Everyone will soon find out that the cost of being a member is less than the cost of leaving. None of the sums mentioned include the benefit of being in the single market, or the economies of scale of not having to reproduce various EU entities with home grown ones.

And that's not even counting the "divorce lump sum".

I can't help thinking that's all an unrealistic analysis. But everyone's entitled to their vote.

NT

if BR vanished insurers would set up something similar and it would be a condition of insurance

we would just to back to the burgh police scotland act and four brass screws holding your toilet down...buchan traps, salt glazed pipes....and no timber frame separating walls ....and the understanding that indoor toilets are a bad idea...ashpits and dungsteds ....and larder vents

ROFLMAO!!!

Apart from anything

still in denial?

None of the sums mentioned include the benefit of

Or the diseconomies of scale of having to lobby the EU for ten years to get permission to build a nuclear reactor.

You are a card Roland. A veritable card

Course it is. It's Roland.

Replace it?

It was mentioned that they couldn't see the numbers, however that may have been smoke and other crap covering them. It was mentioned that raised numbers would have been better. So there may have been numbers.. However I have been in blocks where the odd resident has put a number on the door to the stairs, all different and only on a few floors.

We don't need EU permission to build a nuclear reactor so that's more brexshit from you.

In message , at 19:38:21 on Wed, 21 Jun

Yes, it's true. Despite two of the projects I've been pushing up the agenda recently being in the Queen's speech, it'd still have been easier to do the same work in Brussels.

And, of course, getting it into the Queen's Speech is vastly less certain to result in a successful conclusion [irrespective of the current Parliamentary difficulties] than the European Commission sticking something into their work schedule.

NT

I know plenty who refuse thatched houses.

You have to jump through hoops with the rest.

Delusions abound amongst Remoaners!

I'd be rather surprised if bureaucrats initialised much in the way of building regs? Mostly done on advice, I'd say. Choosing the right expert to get that advice from is the tricky part.