Grenfell Tower - Celotex

Get Steptoe to explain it to you.

Or could it be you are suddenly interested in only using the official term for something?

With pedants like that, tax means exactly what they want it to mean, at any one point in time.

True. It is simply a brand name of an insulation product. But its parent company Saint-Gobain makes a wide range of building materials, and it could be that's what was meant. I'd suggest you take it up with the broadcaster.

Long blocks of flats commonly have multiple entrances and stairwells. For rather obvious reasons. The same rather obvious reasons explain why a tower block doesn't.

In message , at 14:15:42 on Tue, 20 Jun

I was expanding on the word "tax", not disagreeing with the purpose you mentioned.

Apparently there's a shortage of 1-bed property as an unforeseen consequence of this benefit cap. So there are people suffering by living in a surplus of 2-bed accommodation they can't afford to pay for.

Turning 20 of the 2-bed flats into a 1-bed plus stairwell will mean everyone still has the bed they need, they will be better off, and the building is safer. Win, win.

In message , at 14:20:46 on Tue, 20 Jun

Pedants? They are propagandists.

They were built in the early to mid '60s AFAIK.

My wife lived in one as a child so that makes them at least 50 years old.

I don't know how they were constructed but they have banned LPG.

If LPG is banned can they have a fridge? Will a fridge have enough gas in it to cause a Ronan Point type of disaster?

so the "new" one bedroom "flat" will have no toilet or cooking facilties - unless it takes spaces from the one living room the remaining flat has?

You might be able to make 3, one bedroom units out of two, two bedroom ones, but it would depend on how the walls were made of.

my fridge runs off mains electricity

Why should he "take it up with the broadcaster"? You're the fool that posted it here, you take it up with them for making you look an idiot. Oh crap - not their fault, you have always been one.

because the unofficial term is being used deliberately to make something appear harder than it is. For political reasons only, IOW.

So does mine. But I still expect that it has butane in it.

In message , at 14:52:52 on Tue, 20 Jun 2017, charles remarked:

Huh? The two-bedroom flat has six rooms at the moment.

Two bedrooms, a bathroom, a loo, a kitchen, and a living room.

The bedroom furthest from the living room is almost ideally placed to be a staircase.

Some plans floating around are actually for fewer, larger flats (3-4 bed) on each floor. So that runs against the "bedroom tax" scenario.

mine is probbaly too old for butane, but ebven if it wasn't I would expect tehre to be a small quantity, unlike a LPG cylinder used for cooking.

The purpose of a high rise is to accommated the largest number of people on the smallest land area. If you're going to mess with that ratio by removing rooms and adding stairwells, a re-think of the whole thing might be better.

But two stairwells filled with killer smoke ain't going to help much either.

With the current housing shortage, making an existing flat smaller is a total nonsense, unless the object it to provide more needed units.

And single people or even couples ain't the priority. It's those with kids.

Of course it would be great to provide affordable housing for at least some single people. Like perhaps nurses and young police, teachers, etc. As once was done.

Doubt that will happen in my lifetime.

Take it up with the popular press, then. And think of a nice easy Short name which describes it better. I'll give you a clue, though. Steptoe is taken.

That's about the standard of the vast majority of the reporting on the Grenfell tower disaster.

Wrong again Dave, the biggest growth is in single person households.