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Are there still any services that run end-to-end Reading to Canterbury? I would imagine that there is a fairly healthy Reading to Gatwick usage, with separate Redhill to Canterbury (or Redhill to Tonbridge) service that has lower usage. And does it matter if few people made the end-to-end journey, if more people travelled between various intermediate stations? I would imagine there are lots of lines where few people travel from A to Z, but many travel from A to F, C to H, D to Z etc (where stations are in alphabetical order).

When I used to travel from Bracknell to Gatwick (to fly to/from my sister who lived in Boston at the time) it was a toss-up between Bracknell to Wokingham, wait almost half an hour (*), then Wokingham to Gatwick, versus Bracknell to Clapham Junction and then Clapham Junction to Gatwick, with a shorter delay but the need to get my suitcases further between platforms.

(*) Services on the Reading-Waterloo and Reading-Gatwick lines at Wokingham are timetabled badly for anyone wanting to make a Bracknell to Guildford/Gatwick connection because, in order to minimise the time and the number of occasions that the level crossing barriers are down, the Reading-Gatwick service leaves a few seconds before the Waterloo-Reading train arrives, and vice versa when going in the opposite direction. Or at least, that's how they timetabled it when I last used that service in the late 90s. Occasionally I managed the footbridge sprint if one train was running early and the other was running late, but more often we'd sit outside Wokingham, on the opposite side to the station, waiting until the train in the station was ready to leave, so that one closing of the barriers satisfied two trains moving in opposite directions simultaneously. Very frustrating to think "We arrived early enough that I could have caught the other train but we were stranded on the wrong side of the crossing even though the other train was running late."

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NY
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In message , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes

I knew you were a Scot, Dave, but didn't realise you were from this area. Did you know Ballater station was razed a couple of years ago? Very sad.

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Graeme

The wagons came directly into factory = the rails ran stragiht to the bolier house.

8 x 10 ton capacity lorries per day would certainly have an effect on the roads and - to get on topic, they'd have been diesel engined lorries, too.
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charles

There used to be a "Birkenhead to Margate" service.

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charles

Yes. I was there only a couple of weeks ago. And noted some of the flood damage still not sorted.

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Dave Plowman (News)

And lorries don't, in general, pay the true costs of using roads.

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Dave Plowman (News)

Quite, those railways were doomed when the lorry and roads got improved enough to provide a supplier to customer service for the smaller items and the main power source of much of the country changed from coal delivered in railway trucks to station yards from which coal merchants moved it on in smaller quantities to electricity and for some gas which have their own networks to supply them. A train may be a better experience than a bus , especially the underpowered buses of the 1960's but you don't need all the paraphernalia of a railway designed to carry tons at a time to carry

20 or so passengers weighing about 14 stone each.

A lot of the branches that were kept had some people moaning about how they were rationalized to keep costs to a minimum ,bus shelter style buildings ,no staff at many stations with tickets sold on the train etc. What those people really wanted was a steam loco at the head of a couple of coaches with a compartment to oneself and acquaintances , a coal fire in a waiting room and a porter to greet them and make them feel important. It was indeed a romantic notion but far too costly to provide and had largely been so since the 1920's . Closures had started in the 30's under the private companies and many had taken large share holdings in bus operators ,eg Southern Railway - Southern National, Great Western -Western National so they could move forward to a cheaper way of moving people in country areas. WW2 interrupted this plus Nationalisation afterwards made it politically undesirable for a decade till the economics got really silly. If WW2 had not happened non of us would talk about Beeching as many of the lines would have closed a generation or two before.

G.Harman

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damduck-egg

Weren't there branches that went straight from significant staffing (maybe not the the extent of coal fires in waiting rooms) to closure, without unstaffed stations and tickets sold on trains? I remember reading that this is one of the gripes of the Beeching cuts, that reducing costs was not even attempted on some lines.

Having said that, BR suffered a lot from unions imposing minimum staffing levels and hence cutting their noses off to spite their faces: reduced staffing levels (if unions had accepted this) *may* (or may not!) have saved some lines.

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NY

In message , Tim Streater writes

Oi! I own a short stretch of the WGC to Dunstable branch line.

Herts County Council purchased the bulk of it and it is open as *the Ayot Green Way*.

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Tim Lamb

A line near where I grew up was scheduled have been built in the early

1900's but got delayed by WW1 , it finally opened in 1925 when the scarce traffic on offer was already being handled by war surplus lorries so it really should have been stillborne but it was completed as a scheme to provide work in a poor area. When it closed in 1965 the tickets for some of the stops were still from the original batch printed at opening , travelers on the last few services snapped them up as Souvenirs as a Southern Railway branded ticket was not normally issued by the sixties.

Details here for those who have a deeper interest in such things.

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G Harman

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damduck-egg

Quite so. People should be delighted to give up their jobs for the sake of the community. Or go on to zero hours contracts etc. You just know it makes sense.

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Dave Plowman (News)

I am not against public transport - in fact I'd like to see all local buses and trains made free to use, but the costs would be very high and the surge in use would probably bring the whole system down.

I am against trying to force people not to use cars.

SteveW

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Steve Walker

Our local line had the stopping services reduced to one per hour about

10 years ago to free up capacity for non-stopping expresses - making it even more inconvenient and overcrowded for commuters. What it really needs is fast and slow lines to allow trains to pass.

Land was reserved for that when the line was built in the 1870s. BR used to rent the land out to homeowners to extend their gardens and they could have been taken back at any time. However, in the 1980s they sold it all off to the homeowners and where there was railway land (ex sidings, coal yards, station yards, etc.) in and about the towns, they sold it to developers to build new estates right up to the lineside.

So, once again, a short term cash grab has lead to poor service and no easy way to improve it.

SteveW

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Steve Walker

Well, that's the trouble with trains really - NO OVERTAKING.

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Tim Streater

In message , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes

Indeed. The village is still full of white vans, 16 months later. People are coming from all over the place - I was chatting to guy from Manchester a few days ago. 7 hours each way.

A scary day. Began when I was out with the dog, and predicted to peak at lunchtime. We had water on three sides, which came up the drive to within a couple of feet of the house. Sure enough, just after mid day, it stopped then receded. All gone by tea time. We were very, very lucky.

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Graeme

This could be the solution.

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Common in many third world countries.

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harry

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harry

In article , NY writes

Just like SR today.

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bert

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes

Some people need to recognise that the community doesn't owe them a living.

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bert

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