De Walt Tools

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Not everyone is as useless as you. Stripping and repairing a quality tool isn't rocket science. It might well be with one of your welded together designed as disposable rubbish, though.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Yup. It's always best to use a saw on pipes for the push fit connector. Much cheaper than the correct tool.

[IMM]

It's called incompetence and ignorance of how powerful, and dangerous, tools operate. Appalling!

[Andy Hall]

Perhaps you don't make many international calls. 95% of mine are, so I tend to notice.

.andy

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[Andy Hall]

About 95% of the calls that I make are international. When I've tried using these cut price services (last one about 4 months ago), calls would sound terrible and would frequently drop.

I need to have quality to be able to hear conversations properly, especially when people whose first language isn't English are involved. Poor audio quality leads to needing to repeat things and misunderstanding.

.andy

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[IMM]

You use BT so how do you know. Stop making things up.

[Andy Hall]

Refer to other post

.andy

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[John Rumm]

I suggest you do some research on the "Sale of goods Act". See here for a starter:-

you buy from a retailer, the retailer's small print will probably say something like "statutory rights not affected" in relation to their warranty. In other words the warranty is actually irrelevant - you have a set of statutory rights regardless of what the retailer chooses to offer. The retail warranty can only be in addition to your statutory rights - not in replacement of them.

The sale of goods act requires that the retailer sells a product that is "fit for purpose" and you can expect "reasonable" life and durability from it.

On the odd occasions that disputes do get as far as the small claims court (no lawyers required), there have been a number of quite high profiles cases won by the consumers.

[John Rumm]

It is astounding the nonsense you can spout (especially when you are getting toward the "clutching at straws" phase of your argument).

A DIYer (whatever one of those is) should buy whatever tool they need and want to get the job done to a satisfactory standard.

I have bought cheap tools and more expensive "professional" tools. The pro ones have always without exception been nicer to use and have given better results. Sometimes I make a value judgement that for a particular task which I will do infrequently, I can get by with the cheap tool and accept the lower performance.

Sometimes the cheap tool is a complete non starter and there is no alternative to buying a decent tool. Routers are a good example. None of the budget OEM tools have the accuracy or build quality to do the job. Jigsaws are another good example. Spend 120 quid on a Bosch, or Makita and you will realise that there is no comparison between the proper tool and thing that they call a jigsaw in your average DIY shed. They are simply different classes of tool and there are a whole range of things that you can accomplish with the pro tool that are non starters with the cheap one.

[John Rumm]

You may actually have just spotted the real motivation for IMMs buying philosophy: Dark blue PPPoo counterbalanced with light grey "Kress pretending to Wickes". Simple - Linda Barker would be proud!

It all makes sense now - the turquoise of Makita or the Yellow of a DeWalt would clash terribly! Probably why he never actually plugs them in either - that way there is no dust to spoil the display cabinet.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

If only. I'd say it's more a clash of colours of the catalogues on the coffee table. He plainly never uses any of the tools he spouts off about - or even just picks them up. The first 'feel' of a decent tool even without powering it up can tell you quite a bit.

[IMM]

It is astounding the lack of simplke logic you have.

This man clearly did not know how to use the tool. Appalling.

[PJ]

I can't believe IMM is still talking verbal s**te after all this time. Surely his arse hole must be red raw by now. Christ, I'm giving serious thought to buying shares in Andrex. Or does he still use Izal?!

[IMM]

Do you mean this man knew who to use the tool properly? My oh ,my. My, oh my.

[John Rumm]

sorry "simplke" logic is a branch I have not encountered, forrunner of ECL perhaps?

The implication being that you do I suppose? Go on then, show us some of the high quality work you have done with your tool collection. I am looking forward to being impressed.

[IMM]

You are not right.

The implication is clear that he didn't know how to use it. I certainly know how to use power tools being brilliant at life in general.

The owners would appreciate raw Dyers looking around their promises.

[Andrew King]

I bought a 24 volt B&Q cheapo cordless hammer drill for £25, it looks crap and it's proper heavy, but it does everything I ask it to like drilling holes and stuff, beyond that I'm not sure what else you'd need a drill to do... oh and it came with 3 years warranty.

Now I just need my matching cheapo B&Q value overalls and I'll be ready for 'men and tools monthly' just like you guys..!!

[John Rumm]

If the drill does what you need then that is fine. As I said in another post, I have no problem with people buying budget tools (me included) when they will do what you need. The thing that IMM seems unable to grasp, is that there are times when such a tool is not appropriate for the task in hand.

The one with IMM on the front cover this month?

[Andy Hall]

As the tool?

.andy

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[Dave Plowman (News)]

Even a blunt tool may have its uses.