Citylink - useless, useless, useless.

much easier to design the processor with the security holes built in, then block them for secure customers.

That would of course require collusion between a processor manufacturer and a very major government.

Or use a small processor and some added front-end circuitry and encapsulate it to look like (and emulate) a bigger processor. It would run slower, but who actually subjects processors to speed tests?

Owain

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Relief postman did similar to my mother last week as something had to signed for, M " I was in yesterday you Know" PM " I knocked ,maybe you didn't hear me" M" why didn't you ring the bell? PM "What bell" ? M "This one" at which point she clanged the ex fire engine bell which I gave her about 40 years ago* and was hanging on a bracket in the porch about 2ft from the posties ear.

*In those premobile days it was a solution to bring dad in from the fields for important phone calls, visitors etc. In the right atmospheric conditions a good clang can be heard about 2 miles away.

G.Harman

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damduck-egg

Or PHP.

Well, of course, the above is all true, but it's also true that having a broader computing experience is useful. At SLAC I mostly did software in C, but I got brownie points because I was able to debug a small Z80 board that had been designed in the Operations Group, but where the engineer concerned hadn't checked the board layout that came back before sending it off to be built. So some small knowledge of how to use an HP logic state analyser with a Z80 probe came in useful.

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Tim Streater

But surely by the time he had walked the two miles to take the call the caller would have hung up :-)

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Andrew May

In message , Grimly Curmudgeon writes

With most couriers the end customer can see where the parcel is in the delivery chain so this wouldn't work.

(One exception being Yodel with them I find you can only see the item in their system on the day of delivery and often only once it's been delivered.)

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usenet2012

Well the TNT bloke who delivered from Staples yesterday wasn't working on that basis. We were out for 30 mins when he first tried and left a card. Rang the CS number rescheduled delivery for next day. Then got a call from the driver are we in? He's just finishing his drops and will be passing, we were in and got our delivery less than 24hrs after placeing the order. Full marks...

Mind you he might have looked at the weather forecast and didn't want to be out here in the afternoon. Hartside and Killhope are closed due to snow, Whitfield Moor is probably not far behind, it'll certainly be interesting with blowing and drifting snow. That just leaves the "low" route to Brampton...

That wouldn't surprise me.

Our local Royal Mail Delivery Office is just 2.5 miles away and we can park for free. B-) I've not really looked where the various courier depots are but I suspect Carlisle, 30+ miles away. I'm not doing a 60 mile roud trip, they can damn well redeliver.

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Dave Liquorice

Now Yodel have got a *really* nice delivery lass, comes to back door (and it seems genuinely meant to be helpful), smiles, has a word.

Not the world's best delivery company, but the number one deliverer for us.

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polygonum

On Friday 25 January 2013 17:07 usenet2012 wrote in uk.d-i-y:

Most - except ShittyLink...

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Tim Watts

Vent it on the company you purchased from. They have the contract and they have the clout. Their business will be damaged by this type of 'service'.

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DrTeeth

Me too. But we're not today's graduates.

Andy

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Andy Champ

biochemist turned computer guy here.

I have hopes for some of the younger generation. My grandson loves maths and object oriented languages.

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Steve Firth

My point was that even when one is comfortable[1] working at a "low level" like that, you are not going to get he opportunity to re-engineer the microcode in your i3 processor or similar unless you happen to work for Intel in their CPU design department or similar...

[1] I find it quite quaint when people seem amazed that one can actually do useful things in machine language these days - its almost like you are speaking fluent Latin as far as many are concerned.
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John Rumm

On Friday 25 January 2013 20:52 John Rumm wrote in uk.d-i-y:

That depends on the machine langauge too :)

I hated 6502 (though some liked it). I could stomach Z80 but it was not what I called fun.

VAX MACRO32 was indeed a lot of fun, as was 68000. I don't mind Atmel 8 bit AVRs either, though they program so well in C, there's rarely much need.

I think it is because I like highly orthogonal machines with loads of registers. Therefore I would hate RISC.

VAX IIRC has some string instruction whose cycle count was a multiple of the string length, and thus could take 100's of cycles to complete.

And yes - I often heard the system programmers talking of DEC sending out microcode patches.

I was deeply awed when the explained that the VAX 8600 was incapable of even doing it's first stage boot until the little MicroVAX (IIRC) next to it had loaded it's microcode into the CPU - which seemed to be on every reboot - or maybe ot was on a power cycle.

Perhaps a VAX expert could clarify that?

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Tim Watts

Not at all... its now quite common for "processors" to simply be dropped into FPGAs along with whatever other custom logic is required in the design. Most of the FPGA development tools have standard library modules available to simply program whatever processor core into the device you need. So it would not be difficult to create a device with a modified processor.

Having said that its also not uncommon for so called standard designs to not produce standard results in these fields. My colleague was doing some debug work on a FPGA based video switching / encoding system the other week, and concluded that it was basically not working at all. Alerted the hardware designer, who was convinced that it should be fine since it (the VHDL design) was proven in previous generations of kit. Then he realised that the actual FPGA itself was a different model in this equipment (something that should not make any difference). Closer inspection revealed that the compiler had not managed to generate quite the same functionality in the new device as it did in the previous device from the same code. End result was the VHDL was passed to the "guru of VHDL black magic fiddling", to "adjust" it so that it was the same but different, in the hope of convincing the compiler to actually generate what was asked for!

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John Rumm

6502 was my first micro, so I have a soft spot for it. Z80 is ok as well to be fair.

Yup 68K is probably the nicest I have used.

Or most things Intel ;-)

Same with x86

Yup, slightly different world when your "CPU" is a board rather than a chip ;-)

I have used an 8600[1], but never delved into its deeper working...

[1] More for cross compiling code for some of the above mentioned processors, than in its own right.
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John Rumm

True, but in principle they are much of a muchness, at least at some level.

Agree on both.

If you like highly orthogonal machines with lots (well, 16) of registers, look at the DECSystem-10 (aka PDP-10). Very interesting - complete set of conditional jumps, for example, including one that always jumped and one that never jumped.

MOVSB could take a very large count and could use thoudands if not millions. At least it was interruptable and resumable.

I think the original VAX-11/780 was like that too - with a PDP-11/03 and an 8 inch floppy.

Think it was a power cycle (ours was an 8800, just the dual CPU version). I did like the command POWER OFF on the PDP-11 console.

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Bob Eager

A board? I worked on a CPU that was three medium-ish backplanes.

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's one. No microcode. I added some extra boards to alter the instruction set.

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Bob Eager

Which meant that those people actually had to think for themselves a lot of the time, instead of being encouraged to rely on accepted wisdom.

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Windmill

Knowing what a woodscrew is, is not going to help me make my own! (Which won't matter unless society is totally destroyed.)

I once knew in detail how to make a simple multiplier using discrete components - separate transistors, diodes, resistors, etc. - though I don't think I ever used the knowledge except to track down problems.

By now I've probably forgotten more than I realise.

I've certainly forgotten how the sort-of-microcode used in a PDP9 functioned. It could be crudely described as being stored in a kind of read-only core memory, but that's about all I remember.

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Windmill

That sounds like a polynomial-calculating instruction. Which would be OK if it was capable of being interrupted by higher oriority events, then continued from where it left off.

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Windmill

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