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[Dave Plowman (News)]

Has to?

I'd love to know just how much of that time is spent in productive work. I'd guess about a half.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Do you drink a lot? ;-)

[tony sayer]

In article , Dave Plowman (News) scribeth thus

I asked her indoors and she said that some subjects have more "collateral" time than others. Things like maths are easier to mark theres usually one right answer and an infinite number of wrong ones so its 1 or 0..

However languages and lit etc where you have to read essays and mark them, thats far more subjective and time consuming..

It seems also that these days there more admin, reports and other government induced stuff that has to be adhered to than before so I think its also a case of times have changed in that profession...

Assistants?, usually more bother then their worth and IT support?, well yes in dire need the supporters are too;!...

[Bob Eager]

Not at all. I have observed this in action, as a member of the board of governors of a school.

It seems pointless trying to argue with you further, since your views are so entrenched it is clearly a waste of time.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Right. So it's now becoming 'some' rather than 'all' teachers? And how much time does a PT teacher spend marking? ;-)

I doubt I'd spend to much time on the government stuff since it seems to be totally ignored.

Wonder if the assistants would agree with you? The one I know also complains about having to spend every hour gawd sends 'on the job'.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

You still haven't given any actual hours. Just generalizations. If a teacher really is working incredibly longs hours something should be done about it. No-one can work long hours and give their full attention to the job. Especially as they get older.

And surely you have all the data to hand, being a governor?

[Bob Eager]

I have theoretical hours. But what I observe in practice is a good deal more.

I leave governors' meetings at 7.30 p.m. and frequently see people still working.

[Dave Liquorice]

A break of 20 mins after 6 hours work.

11 hours consecutive rest in every 24 = 13 working hours/day. 1 day off per week averaged over two weeks. 48 hrs week averaged over 17 weeks.

In general, there are variations.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

You have governor's meetings every day of the week?

I'm really trying to get this clear. You implied that every decent teacher works every evening as well as most of their holidays.

Of course a teacher occasionally may have to work outside the normal hours. No different from anyone else. I'm just trying to establish some sort of norm.

Like 40 hours a week in total. 50 hours. Or whatever.

This post and some of your others suggest 0800-2000 with no lunch break is the norm. And I simply don't believe you.

[Dave Liquorice]

Ours the bells go at 0900 and 1530. Many pupils arrive for "Breakfast Club" which I think starts at 0800, so parents can get to work, likewise at the end of the day pupils can stay at school to enable parents to get back from work. The teaching staff cover this on a rota but many also do other after school clubs to 1630.

Er, all the wage slaves on the 9-5? Under the EU Working Time Directive, breaks are not working time. Niether is time taken to get to/from the normal place of work.

8 if you count breaks as working time, which the regs don't.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Quite. But since teachers have to be there when the pupils are puts constraints on when they work their hours. Not much point in going in to teach when there are no kids there and so on.

[bert]

So you won't be going on strike then?

[dennis]

But are they the same people, working far too long. Or different people doing the odd bit of stuff.

As a governor you have a H&S issue you need to understand and sort out. Its your responsibility not someone else's.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

On a rota. So no different from supervising lunch, etc.

Never said it did. But how many have working hours of 9-5 these days?

Sigh. You've just given the kid's hours. 5 1/2. Which leaves the teacher 1

1/2 hours for prep etc even with a 7 hour '9-5' day.

[bert]

If your pension is actually in a registered pension fund (you will have had tax relief on the payments) then you cannot access it until the age of 50 and there are tight restrictions on how much you can draw out. I am surprised that they are trying to treat your fund as an asset for benefit assessment. I should challenge it and seek some independent advice - maybe from your pension provider or financial advisor if you have one.

I should ignore it. I suspect they are referring to any income currently being received from your pension and any tax-free lump sum that you might be able to withdraw. You can presumably suspend your premium payments whilst unemployed.

[Tim Watts]

On Tuesday 10 September 2013 10:59 Dave Plowman (News) wrote in uk.d-i-y:

They did not have to do any Ofsted forms. You be surprised how much paperwork there is these days.

[bert]

In message , "Dave Plowman (News)" writes

Based on a conversation I had with a teacher the other day a lot of the holiday work is by choice and attracts additional payments. He said he had latterly seen the light and preferred some recreational time instead, hence he was on his bike whilst I was out walking the dogs.

[Adrian]

The bit you just snipped, where you replied to the vocation line with "No wonder manual work's not respected" or some such bollocks.

[Adrian]

You still seem to be confusing "vocational" (as in training) with "a vocation".

[dennis]

I don't think you can put 25% of your wage into a pension fund. The IR rules don't allow tax relief if you exceeds the limits and its nowhere near 25% until you get to about 60.