Time doesn't stay the same. It goes into the future at a rate of exactly
1 second per second. No amount of adjusting clocks can have any effect on this.At least you get to correct for clock drift.
But since the day is longer, you are still getting up in daylight. I suspect this got started because people who get up by the clock were sleeping the day away in the summer. In spite of the rumor, that isn't farmers. The roosters wake them up and roosters don't have a watch.
When it comes to clocks, time is a social construct.
I knew a farmer that had about 50 head of milk cows. He was always complaning about how long it took to reset all those cows when the time changed.
On 3/8/2020 2:27 PM, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote: ...
Use to, maybe... :)
The biggest hassle w/ DST and farming is that it is immaterial what the clock says as to when the work has to be done; excepting when it's almost 11 PM when it's finally dark and one still has to deal with the rest of the world on a town schedule, there's just not much left...
Similarly, the afternoon is just well underway at 5PM and if need stuff in town, they're already shut up and gone home even an hour earlier than were before which was still long before the day was over.
Grandpa story: Back around 1915 grandfather and his brother homestead here and farmed together for several years before grandpa bought out his brother. G'pa was, apparently, much more of the early riser than Frank so story is one morning on way out to milk Frank said, "Andy, I don't mind work but do we have to sneak up on it in the dark?"
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Those days are long gone. I grew up in central Nebraska in the
1960s and 70s. Most farmers had a few cattle and maybe some hogs. The women raised chickens and my mom had ducks off and on. We had fresh eggs and homegrown fried chicken. Homegrown beef and pork, too. I still remember Mom butchering chickens. She'd cut their throats and let them flop around. The farms have grown in size and many farmsteads have disappeared. The old livestock sale barns have thinned out considerably. One of the larger cattle feedlots in my old neighborhood is disappearing and going to be farm ground next spring. A lot of those feedlots are simply abandoned. I mentioned this trend to a farmer one day. No dog. He wasn't sure if they even had stray cats on his place.
______ I get up around 6:30am on most weekends. Yesterday(Saturday) local sunup was 6:17, Standard. Today, sunup 7:15, DST. So tell me exactly how I'm getting up in daylight, at least until the end of March?
______ DS(ummer)T wasn't created for farmers - ever try milking a cow an hour earlier by the sun, the next day?
It was done for the utilities.
Ponder that.
I still have my RTV but it really is not that useful without a digital tuner. I succumbed to the devil and got a Roamio OTA. It is not as nice as the RTV but they do have a DVArchive like utility that lets you download a PC readable file. (OTA only). It also has full streaming capability. I did think about hooking my RTV up to the A/V output to record streams but I haven't done it. I haven't been willing to jump through the hoops to set the clock. I might just use my DVD recorder.
Blame GWB, He is the one who changed it from April to March.
Lots of people get blamed but energy conservation or increased productivity are usually the excuse
"Get big or get out."
Earl Butz
Actually, no. I've been to PC and PCB (and Tyndall AFB) many times, but so far not to Mexico Beach. They showed some major destruction on the news when it was current, so I've been meaning to slide over there on my next trip, maybe later this spring.
Interesting, thanks. I'll check it out, maybe stop for pie somewhere just to help support the area.
_______ He just signed the energy bill. Two Democrats, I'm ashamed to admit, one from midwest, one from Mass., added the extra month DST to that bill.
______ It has been proven, both in Australia and in Indiana, that energy consumption increases, 1-2%, but definitely increases, during periods when DST is observed.
I would be all on board permanently advancing all U.S. zones one half hour permanently, with allowance for entire states to exempt themselves if desired.
It's dark when I get up, year round. In the summer it's light out when I go to bed.
Cindy Hamilton
I don't think you mean it this way, but I've had many conversations with people who do think it is true that DST gives "extra daylight". There is no "extra hour" of daylight; the time between sunrise and sunset is the same regardless of what label (time) we apply.
You are not alone! I want "clock noon" to match "local noon" as much as possible. In other words, when the sun reaches zenith the clock should read darn close to noon. Time zones are useful for geographically distributed coordination of activity. I don't advocate a return to all local time. Given the choice between standard and daylight time, standard gets closest to local/clock noon alignment.
Tom
Clearly not a fan of DST.
That depends entirely on the position of your location within the timezone.
DST all year is the most beneficial (in that there is more daylight hours after the normal working day all year 'round).
Once the semiannual changes end, any purported offset from local solar noon will be unimportant.
That's a good point for those in the western part of a timezone. Under standard time, the eastern part lines up local/clock noon fairly well; under daylight time this is better aligned in the western part. Under standard time in Philly, local noon and clock noon are fairly close. In the same time regime Indianapolis sees the sun overhead closer to clock 1 PM. Shifting to daylight time, Philly sees local noon about clock 11 AM and Indy about clock noon.
Only if you are in the western part of a timezone. The further east you go the worse things get in terms of local/clock alignment. I don't see a good solution within the existing North American timezones.
Tom
No, in the entire timezone the sun sets an hour later than it would in standard time. Which means longer evenings year 'round.
Irrespective of local solar time.
How is local solar time relevent in this day and age?
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That all depends on where the actual boundaries of the TZ are -- as envisioned theoretically, the center of each time zone would be at the solar time and each TZ spread +/-30 minutes on either side. If that were what had been implemented, then the east and west are off from each other by an hour, but each is only off 30 minutes, just opposite directions.
Unfortunately, politics and political boundaries enter in and so defined time zones don't match up so well.
A quick search didn't locate a map that showed the meridianal data to indicate just what the differences really are in actual present US TZs but it'll vary for each and by differing amounts and I'd guess won't always be closer for the same end in each (and certainly not for every latitude within given the irregular path the boundaries follow).
I've only spent about 10 out of 70+ years where wasn't within a few miles of a west end and prefer that bias over the other; I suppose if one grows up on the other end one thinks that is preferable situation as well. :)
If longer evenings are your definition of "most beneficial" then I won't disagree. There are other aspects to consider.
Because we're all still biological entities :)
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