Re: Vaccine scam

Dec 06, 2020 Last reply: 5 years ago 39 Replies
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>>> Moderna says vaccine will not prevent you from being infected nor will


>>> it keep you from being contagious. It only suppresses the symptoms. >>
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>> I predicted the other day that you'd probably be joining the anti-vaxxers, you were warming
>> up, starting and here you are, right on schedule. Moderna did not say what you claim above.
>> What Zaks said was:
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>> ?I think we need to be careful, as we get vaccinated, not to over-interpret the results,? Dr Zaks said. ?When we start the deployment of this vaccine, we will not have sufficient concrete data to prove that this vaccine reduces transmission.
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>> ?Do I believe that it reduces transmission? Absolutely yes, and I say this because of the science,? he added. ?But absent proof, I think it?s important that we don?t change behaviors solely on the basis of vaccination.?
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>>> Moderna's Chief Medical officer, Tal Zaks says ?I think we need to be
>>> careful, as we get vaccinated, not to over-interpret the results. Our
>>> results show that this vaccine can prevent you from being sick and
>>> can prevent you from being severely sick. They do not show that they
>>> prevent you from potentially carrying this virus transiently and
>>> infecting others.?
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>> Not having PROOF YET that it stops the spread is very different than the vaccine not
>> stopping the spread.
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>>> It sounds like the perfect money maker. You need it to survive
>>> yourself but it doesn't prevent you spreading the disease or even
>>> prevent you from getting the disease. It just keeps you from having
>>> symptoms. You are an asymptomatic infector. The perfect vector.
>>> They won't even say how long the protection lasts. You are just
>>> hooked. Isn't this how they sell opioids?
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>>> This looks like it may be mostly on the taxpayer dime too.
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>>> I am surprised the "anti-corporate raider" progressives are so
>>> sanguine with this scam.
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>> I'm not surprised that you've started the anti-vaxxing FUD. That's the only scam I see.
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>+1 These people make me cringe with disbelief at the way they think.

I have never been against vaccines, as long as we are sure they work. The chief science officer of Moderna is not sure his works. It's OK, You folks will be testing it in your general population. We will get that trial ... in about a year.

Nice puff piece but they don't even say which vaccine they are talking about. There are at least 3, not counting what the Russians and Chinese are doing. The Chief Science Officer of Moderna can't even say his vaccine will protect you from being infected and infecting others. He says it just suppresses the symptoms. Then as Trader points out he says it might be more effective, they just don't know. They can't even say how long it can suppress the symptoms because that hasn't had time to be tested either. The other 2 may be better but until we know more about the Moderna vaccine, I will wait. In the mean time governments are buying this uncertain "miracle drug" as fast as they can pump it out and Moderna is laughing all the way to the bank. I guess everyone assumes if this is useless, or worse, they can blame it all on Trump.

That's a lie. What Zaks actually said:

"When we start the deployment of this vaccine, we will not have sufficient concrete data to prove that this vaccine reduces transmission.?

?Do I believe that it reduces transmission? Absolutely yes, and I say this because of the science,? he added. ?But absent proof, I think it?s important that we don?t change behaviors solely on the basis of vaccination.?

Do you realize you just contradicted what you claimed above?

They can't even say how long it can suppress the

So, reducing people getting sick by 95%, reducing deaths which are now running 2800 per day, reducing hospitalization by 95% when we are running out of beds, isn't good enough? And again Zaks said that based on the science he has seen, he expects the vaccine to prevent transmission.

In the mean time governments are buying this uncertain "miracle

So, 100K+ hospitalizations, 200K+ new cases a day, 2800 deaths a day and growing exponentially, what exactly is your alternate plan?

Shooting heroin will make your back stop hurting but it doesn't cure your back. If you are still carrying the virus but not getting sick, it is the same thing. Actually worse, a bad back isn't contagious.

I didn't say I had a better plan, just that this is not a cure, only pissing on the fire.

I missed this. A) If by $100, you mean everyone will have to pay, my understanding is that the vaccination will be free.

If the problem is 6 months, then yes, let's continue the testing for another 6 months to see how many are still immunized. While 3000 a day die, 540,000 in 6 months, only to find out that now that we know it only lasts for 6 months, what good does that do us? Should we not get vaccinated becausse it will only last for 6 months? Maybe not. After all, I don't eat because I'll just have to eat again tomorrow. I never went to work, because they expect you to come back tomorrow. I don't drink water or juice or anything like that, because you get thirsty again. You've convinced me. I'm going to promote the environment and not take the vaccine until I'm convinced it lasts at least 2 years. I'll get back to you in 2022.

Nothing is "free". You mean the government will borrow or print more money. I bet a $400-$1000 a year per person "covid vaccination tax" wouldn't pass the laugh test. The question is how long we will let Moderna keep charging $100 a CC for this drug?

It will be free to democrats. Like everything else, a Republican will pick up the check.

Of course, those benefits expire in less than 2 months.

You are talking about the FICA holiday that I also never said was a good idea and it is just a loan, not a cut so theoretically it is revenue neutral. It was a little poison pill Trump is leaving for Biden tho. He will be the president when that shows up on everyone's tax bill. The cuts to the income tax were real cuts that will not have to be paid back directly. Our kids will pay later ... like all of the other dumb s*it congress and the Fed have done.

It prevents symptomd It prevents hospitalization It prevents death

You think that is a waste of money?

I'm sure research will continue just like other vaccines but do we just let people dies until we have one?

The Sabin vaccine is better than the Salk but should kids just get Polio until it was invented?

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