Have you noticed that our choices for Pro Line Tools are diminishing fast!
It use to be there was 4 or 5 choices for good quality power tools. Black
and Decker has bought up 3 of those products and now turned them into CRAP!
What are our choices now? None. Most of my power tools are Porter Cable and
I have had great luck with them. I have a 14.4 drill/driver that has lasted
7 years and I use it everyday. I have already seen the quality of this tool
drop from Pro Line to Week End Warrior status. What are we suppose to use
now when we want Quality and Dependability?
Bosch comes to mind and Festool, but I'm not sure who builds these. I'm sure
every tool built now comes with China fasteners and what few metal parts
are left in them. I'm just getting sick of large corps. buying these tool
makers and turning them into cheap ass trash not even worthy of Weekend
I needed to VENT and was wondering what you guys think of this trend?
It's not just tools, it's every consumer good. For *most* people the
thought of buying tools/goods for a lifetime never occurs to them, just
getting them through the next job.
I tear up whenever I think about all the old Delta tools that were in my
grandfather's workshop that ended up getting sold because when they
moved out I didn't have the money (although I'm sure if I'd expressed
interest, I would have been given them, I would have felt guilty,) a
truck, or a place to put them. Fortunately I got a lot of his hand
tools and AFAIK what my grandmother still doesn't have were taken by my
cousin's husband; the only great loss was the tubing tools which were sold.
I'm still having good luck with my Milwaukee and Makita stuff, but the
only major tool I've bought within the last decade was a new Sawzall,
the rest of it is fairly old.
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
Old red Milwaukee, Bosch(made in Swiss), Porter Calbe(made in TN).
My idea of getting something is buy best I could afford and keep it life
time. Stuff made in China depends on what spec. it is made to. Not
everything Chinese is bad.
I didn't mean to imply that, but it seems that really the only way to
evaluate Chinese quality is visual inspection, as a lot of stuff hasn't
been on the market long enough to see whether it's really durable or
not. Also many stores take a dim view of disassembling the samples in
the store :) And you have to admit that some Chinese products have
indeed received a bad rap for quality.
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
I bought ONE of each at HD in the past a year or two. Discontinued
stocking/model. 1/2 hammer/drill was marked down from $149.00 to about
129.00 or less. Told the clerk to get me one. They were out on the
stock shelves. I bought the display, AFTER sending the clerk with my
$75.00 offer to an on duty manger. With tax if cost me $90.00.
I needed a corded sawzall this year and picked up one on the "isle"
table. Saved maybe $25.00.
Both were Miilwaukee
How in the world do you make the connection between:
3. 6 weeks vacation
no pride in what they do?
I think it's just the opposite. Good working conditions, strong
workers rights, and ample vacation time make for a motivated work
force with pride in their work. I think you've been drinking BillO's,
Hannity's, and Rush's Kool-aid. Your brain seems to be rusting.
Are you sure that's not by design... LOL and I always thought it's because
the French are always in retreat and that goes for the rifle to. You can't
run as fast when you have a rifle in your hands.
Not too sure how many countries do it, but some countries have passed a law
the companies have to give atleast a month off. This is to create more jobs
for the workers. Seems their government is looking out for them. Ours
seems to make it easier to import things and cost jobs. If you look at
some of the American stuff you will see there is no pride in our work
TANSTAAFL. If you have to have enough extra bodies to give 4 weeks off
instead of 2 (or whatever), but still have to pay all the workers for
all 52 weeks each year, well, who is making up the difference in labor
costs? You HAVE to increase your prices. And if the country next door is
making the same thing, but they only have to pay the employees for 2
free weeks each year, well, they can set their prices a little lower.
Not defending robber barons or the chinese slave factories, mind you.
Every company should treat their workers well, or at least humanely. But
if the 'other guy' isn't paying for that perk for his workers, you
probably can't afford to either.
On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 17:42:05 -0500, Ralph Mowery wrote:
Made in the USA doesn't always mean the best possible product for the buck.
Pride in workmanship starts at the top.
The mark of a true professional is doing the job right the first time and
making it look easy.
Also how much pride do you think I or others like me can take when the
following hapens to them?
I was promised a good eairly retirement when I started at 23 years old if I
worked for the comapny for 30 years and was over 55. Around the time I
turned 53 the company was sold and the new owners decided not to honor that
agreement. That now means instead of retiring at 55 or 60 I will have to
work to atleast 62 or maybe 65 when the medicare insurance starts.
Then I look at Home Depot and see they 'fired' the CEO and gave him around
120 million to leave. Poor Ford Motor comapny CEO only got about 20 million
to leave. I did manage to loose about $ 10,000
in the Ford stock when it fell from around $ 27 to $ 10. See that it is
around $ 5 now. Guess that I did save a few dollars by getting out at $ 10.
Seems the government lets the big boys get payed when they are fired for
poor job performance, while the workers get shafted for working.
You really need to understand how things work. I look at life like a big
Chess Board. We are the Pawns, disposable, expendable, and easily made to
feel somewhat important. Then you have the big boys with the true POWER
that control the strings and every movement is made far in advance, control
every aspect of our life's. And these big boys are not the president or
congress, just the ones that control everything like all the moves on the
Chess Board. Big Money and Corporations and the families that control it.
You just do your best and try not to get in their way and hopefully you can
die with some kind of dignity and be somewhat successful. And this is the
way it's been since the beginning of time and it will be that way until
I know this sounds cynical but can anyone explain to me why this would not
make sense? Explain to me why People in high places can make the dumbest
decisions that not even a moron would make and come out smelling like a
rose? Simple, read the above paragraph.
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can\'t make them THINK"
I think they do. Years ago it wasn't uncommon that if someone had a
pension plan the pension funds were commingled with the companies other
funds. So if "Dry Creek Zinc" went broke the pension money was gone too.
Then the government established a very simple requirement that the
pension fund which belonged to the employees must be given to and held
by a trustee. As time went on the companies protested on the basis it
wasn't necessary to do this because using "smoke and mirrors"
accounting they could show that far less than the actual pension money
needed to be held in reserve. So with the shady accounting forecasts and
appropriate consideration delivered to the politicians the requirements
were changed by the government.
A family member was about to retire from a megacorp. His employment
agreement was that he provided service and would get a pension of a
certain value and the company would pay his medical insurance. The
company he worked for was purchased by an even bigger company. After
some time they decided it would be a lot better for them if they screwed
everyone (including vendors etc) by filing bankruptcy and opening up
under a new name. The net result for my family member was that he gets
45% of his pension and they won't pay his medical insurance.
The leader of megacorp got a $100 Million bonus for his "great work".
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