...May. 22, 2014 - 5:35 - DuckDuckGo's Gabriel Weinberg on creating a
search engine that doesn't track users
I tried it and like it just for the cleanliest. Now my default search
I've been using startpage for a couple of years now , but just tried out
ddg recently . One difference I see with ddg is that they suggest search
strings for you to refine your search . Some might not like that , some may
I've used DuckDuckGo for awhile, too. Google abuse
just keeps getting worse. I dropped them for most
searches when they started tracking clicks via corrupt
links. If you look at the returned links you'll see that
they now use Google as a proxy, so that Google can
track everything you click, even if you have script
It sends you to Google, which then serves you the page
you asked for. There's no way to even know whether
Google is giving you an unadulterated page. They could
even be adding tracking bugs to pages.
I still use them occasionally, though. For most searches
any search engine works, but for the really tough ones
Google seems to be more accurate most of the time. When
I do use them I generally copy the link and then clean it
up before proceeding.
| ...May. 22, 2014 - 5:35 - DuckDuckGo's Gabriel Weinberg on creating a
| search engine that doesn't track users
| I tried it and like it just for the cleanliest. Now my default search
| engine. YMMV
| > I tried it and like it just for the cleanliest. Now my default search
| > engine. YMMV
| Maybe you should wear a little tinfoil hat while you surf too?
That's an odd thing to say. Do you *like* being
spied on? Do you think people are nuts who don't
want to be spied on? If so, why? Or do you work for
| > | Maybe you should wear a little tinfoil hat while you surf too?
| > |
| > That's an odd thing to say. Do you *like* being
| > spied on?
| Why would the NSA spy on me? I'm of no interest to them.
Haven't you heard? They slurp everything. And as I
understand it the Obama people have claimed they have
a legal right to do that. Personally I'd rather not support
the development of an Orwellian surveillance society.
But... the OP wasn't even talking about the NSA.
Google spies on people using their search engine.
If you join Google they likely track everything you do.
If you don't join they can still track most of your online
activity via the ubiquitous ad company, Doubleclick,
which has ads on most commercial sites. Google reads
the email of gmail users and was caught recording anything
they could get off of home wireless connections that weren't
locked down, while they rode around in their Google
mapping vans. Then they lied about it. In short, they're
a sleazeball operation. A bunch of unsocialized geeks who
think they have a right to invade the privacy of others,
so long as they're only doing it to make money!
I can't fathom why you would think anyone is nuts simply
because they don't want Google spying on them.
| > But... the OP wasn't even talking about the NSA.
| Fooled me too. Did you read the Subject of this thread?
Good point. I think of the NSA as secondary. They
can ride along with corporate tracking, but the corporate
tracking is the primary spying in this case.
I was sitting at a table last week with 3 young
people, talking about the Frontline series on privacy
and spying. They kept talking about the NSA, too.
I kept trying to say, "Yes, the NSA is creepy. But
what about Google and Facebook spying? How do
you feel about those?" They didn't seem to be able
to understand. They fear an Orwellian federal gov't,
but seem oblivious that their whole social and business
life is hosted by advertising companies who claim
co-ownership of their digital data. GMail and Facebook
are so central to their lives that they're almost incapable
of thinking about them as corporations.
| Leo LePort made the point last week that the
| two are different. Google can't kick your door
| down and arrest you.
No, but Google is providing the data in some cases
and setting the precedent. People allow Google to
essentially wiretap their email, which sets a precedent
that can be applied in court. And actually I really don't
see why one should make such a comparison at all.
They're both a big problem. I wouldn't find it comforting
to know that the person who just stole my wallet at least
doesn't steal cars. I'm guessing that Leo LaPorte has a
gmail account that he'd rather not give up. :)
Google is being sued currently in a class action
lawsuit by people who communicate with gmail
users but who have not agreed to Google's terms.
Google first tried to have the case thrown out,
claiming that no one has a right to expect privacy.
Fortunately, the judge didn't go for that. But they
might still win. It's amazing to think that in a few
short years we've reached a point where we're no
sure whether for-profit corporations have a right to
wiretap in order to make money.
With Google setting the tone, the NSA is now taking
pretty much the same view.
There's an interesting, related law article here:
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