Windows 10 updates on 'unsupported' hardware

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Just another way MS is f****ng you over. For those of you drinking the Windows 10 koolaid... What flavor is it supposed to be? And, does it taste like it?

Do be careful what you run on Windows 10, as, Edge isn't really 'disabled' as some of you previously thought. I'd hate to see some new malware take advantage of the POS and cause you unwanted grief.

Reply to
Diesel
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It's the same flavor that all Microsoft software has had since day 1. :)

Reply to
Bud Frede

No, MS is really making things worse.

I recently built a machine with a mobo that was designed for Win10 or Ubuntu 16.

I was able to install Win7 with no problems but there were no drivers for USB. (also generic video drivers)

None were provided by the mfg and none of the "usual tricks" worked.

For example, back in the old days XP drivers worked fine for Win2K.

What I did was install Win10 then find the drivers USB was using and I copies the .sys and .inf to a cd.

Booting back to Win7 I used the Win10 drivers in attempt to get USB working. I got the usual message concerning "unsigned drivers" and installed them, That normally would have done the trick but in the situation here, the USB drivers were non-functional.

The upgrade from Win7 to Win10 is still free,so... since this was not costing me anything, I went ahead and decided to use Win10.

A default installation of Win10 is piss poor, but after doing a bit of experimenting and tweaking I managed to get it working quite well and have turned off quite a bit of MS spying...but am quite sure there is more left I will have to trace down.

Some of the tweaking is routine, such as taking apps out of startup and disabling un-needed services.

One thing I had to do was use a minor registry tweak to disable Cortana, then also a (free) 3rd party utility to easily change system fonts.

Some of the problems MS may some day fix, but most of them will be ignored by MS.

Reply to
philo

Hi Philo,

M$ is a pain-in-the-ass over these matters. They should, but they don't because they want you to buy their latest garbage (Windows Nein, oops Ten).

You have to create a USB flash drive with the Windows 7 USB 3 drivers included.

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After FINALLY getting mine to work, I created a "dd" copy of my flash drive and burn them off whenever I do a custom system.

I am still trying got figure out how to do this with NVMe M.2 drives and W7's ISO, but haven't tried too hard as no one have bought a W7 custom system from me with an NVMe drive in it yet. (NVMe drives EXTREMELY fast.)

-T

Reply to
T

That doesn't always work, either. The drivers have to support the hardware, since, er, that's the point of the driver in the first place.

Reply to
Diesel

Any recent good quality mobo supports recent Windows and Linux. I went with ASUS for my last 5-6 builds, but that's just personal preference based on my experience with them. Others I've used are Gigabyte, Intel, Micronics, Abit, blah, blah. All were good. I've had no issues with Windows 10. Having driver problems just means you're dealing with antiquated peripherals. This stuff is so cheap nowadays it shouldn't be an issue. The jump from 16-bit to 32-bit software was a bigger issue. Mainly because of bad or no data conversion software. Sometimes it was tedious to do.

Reply to
Vic Smith

Do whatever pleases you. I have no right to tell you how to use your computer. Sure, I can offer advice, but, if you won't put it to good use, what's the point. At the end of the day, it's not my computer.

Not exactly. I commented on the money you were wasting, because, you were only delaying the inevitable. MS doesn't want you running anything other than Windows 10. They've already taken drastic steps to make life difficult for previous flavors of Windows, depending on the hardware you're running. I predict, that's going to get more interesting as time passes, too. At some point, the sheeple who went for Windows 10 will find out a subscription service was in the works the entire time. You'll likely have two choices. Pay a fee, every so often, or accept advertising as some have already experienced on Windows 10. MS isn't in the business of free software. Somebodies gotta cover those salaries.

And since the PC market isn't what it used to be, the sheeple will be picking up the slack.

No, I don't. For reasons I've already stated. So, no point in rehashing them.

Nope. Linux isn't for everyone. As I said, do whatever pleases you. Don't worry about the consequences, You're destined to learn all about them, later on. The hard way.

Reply to
Diesel

Alas, our experience differs by a wide margin too. You seem to be a bit of a hobbyist. When you've serviced thousands of 'modern' machines, get back to me.

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Why might that be?

I see...So why aren't you a Windows fanboy?

Depends on your needs, I suppose.

:)

Reply to
Diesel

ROFL. I think nothing of the sort. I don't even know the definitions for liberal, republican, democrat, etc. None of them are in touch with the real world, imho. I don't know how you could justify the do gooder comment, either. My known background certainly wouldn't support the opinion.

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Diesel
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Which means likely didn't have hardware for those type of ports present on it. Which means, no drivers. I use the word likely intentionally, btw. I have seen boards that infact did have the required hardware, but, at the time of shipment, didn't have drivers for the newer stuff and resorted to older drivers, instead. Better to have slower running ports than dead ones, right? :)

That's hands on experience for you. *shrug*

Atleast let them know it has Windows 10 already installed, if you're going to sell it that way. It would be nice of you to explain the pitfalls of using Windows 10, as well. But, I can understand if you'd rather not tell them. It's like being super honest with a used car you want to sell.

Reply to
Diesel

Wrong

There are not going to be drivers for Win7 for that board...at least not from the mfg.

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My friend who used to write drivers for a living told me he could do it....if he gets PAID

I am very honest , to the point where most of the work I do , if I get paid at all, I get grossly underpaid. Mostly I do it because I like doing it.

In a few hours some guy is coming over and I told him I'd fix he machine free. He was trying to upgrade it (he did not specify what) and could not figure out how to connect the cables. Might be as simple as an SATA cable off or it might be a big mess.

Some of the people I deal with are pretty clueless... They often doing even knwo what operating system they are using , when I ask them. If I'm lucky they will say "Windows."

Now on to the good stuff:

A month ago someone have me a combination AM radio/ record player from the 1950's...it's built into an end table.

I recently got around to checking it out and I got to watch the 5Y3 rectifier's plates melt down!

I quickly turned it off and assumed one of the filter capacitors was shorted.

So much work went into the cabinetry and none went into serviceability but I got the chassis on my workbench and all the capacitors were good.

To properly restore the radio, the capacitors would have to be replaced, but I am not going to bother to restore it. I have a friend who does that type of thing and I will give him the unit it he wants it.

Since all checked out OK, I then figured that the tube might have gotten damaged in transit and it might have been nothing more than the filament troubling the plates.

I had a spare 5Y3 in the attic but to test the radio on the bench I needed to pull the speaker.

The speaker was one of those with a voice coil. It also had the audio transformer attached, so I really needed to pull it out rather than use a standard permanent magnet speaker.

The speaker was in a sealed compartment and a major PITA to remove...but the radio works....so I put it all mostly together and hope the hell I can get it out of my basement.

If my buddy does not want it, I may sell the green, electric eye tube on eBay and just toss it.

Reply to
philo

Even though my own machines are ancient, the ones I work on for friends are typically new. Some of the people I deal with are gamers and have to have the latest and greatest.

I've looked at some of those games, and other than visual effects, graphics and sound, seem to be little different from those old DOS games. LOL

Until Win10 came out, most of my more recent jobs were on Win8 machines and confused owners. Once I put on Classic Shell, the folks stopped crying. (One woman literally came over in tears because she could not use her new computer.)

I have probably repaired more machines that you have...I don't know... but I literally have repaired or built thousands of machines. I've been doing this for about 17 years and at one time had two or three machines on the the bench at a time.

FWIW: Thanks to getting surplus equipment from work, I have all on one of several UPS...industrial grade.

Here are the batteries from my main UPS

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More than 24 hours of backup.

BTW, as long as I have my Dropbox folder open, here is HALF the battery room from one of my customers

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I like Linux and it sure performs better than Windows on my very modest H/W.

No. I use Windows mainly so I can gain familiarity and therefore intelligently help others.

I keep a number of versions of Windows in Virtual machines so I can give people step by step instructions over the phone.

Win8 for example, I have not bare hardware installation.

Reply to
philo

I really enjoy your tales of woe, Philo! ;-)

I KNOW you are honest .. but have you REALLY got a degree in Psychology?

Reply to
David B.

Now you are just teasing the poor boy! ;-)

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David B.

Now for a UPS battery bank that is JUST PLAIN SCARY. Get some proper connection cables on that thing!!! And ballance you banks, for crying out loud!! Your series-parallel connections with an odd number of mismatched batteries is ridiculous.

What are you charging it with? and what kind of UPS is it? How long does it take to recover after a power outage? It appears to be a 24 volt system - my small one is 48 volts and the big one is 60 volts. (Powerware Prestige EXT) Both are dual conversion.

The little one on my wife's system is a 24, and the one backing up my internet modem and VOIP is a 12. Each of my TV cable boxes/pvrs are on their own UPS as well. They are all good for about half an hour, but for long-term outages the natural gas option on my generator provides for virtually unlimited run-time.

Reply to
clare

Yes, but it's just a Bachelor's degree, I am not a shrink.

I know quite a few and they really are crazy.

My history is this:

In 1967 I started out at Milwaukee School of Engineering and majored in EE.

I was a pretty well behaved kid but in college spent too much time drinking and socializing. The US Army drafted me in 1969 on the grounds that I was not a serious student. I started an appeal but then decided to just get it over with and go into the Army.

I got very interested in Psychology and when I got out I enrolled in the University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee and decided to get a degree in Psychology which I did. I then realized that a Bachelor's degree would get me no where and I was not PHD material.

Since I was a veteran and entitled to five years of college under the GI bill, I stayed in school and completed the requirements for a degree in EE...or least I thought I did.

There were four courses from MSOE that did not transfer and I would have had to re-take them or the UWM equivalent...but by that time the GI bill had run out and I needed a job.

I had no trouble getting a job as a tech at a small company and they said they would pay for my college .

Though over the next four years I did take more classes, I got more of an education on the job. My boss was a former aerospace engineer and was on the Apollo design team and gave me a better training than I would have gotten in school.

Eventually they gave me the service engineer based on experience and I never did get the degree.

BTW: Why was a former aerospace engineer working for a battery company?

This was before we were bought out and became a large multi-national corporation.

My boss's brother was one of the owners of the company and gave him a gravy job. Once the moon launch was achieved, thousands of engineers lost their jobs and he was just happy to be employed again/

Reply to
philo

BD: I saw your question of Drop Box, those are forklift batteries and there is a battery extractor machine for removing them from the trucks and putting them on the racks and visa-versa.

The ones you see are not the largest there are.

Some batteries weigh as much as 4000# and require an overhead crane to handle them

Reply to
philo

At one time I had upwards of 30 systems on my bench at one time. We shipped sometimes 150 a week. Thankfully while I was with the company we didn't have to repair too many (well, one is too many when you put a 3 year warranty on the systems (we are talking 25 years ago)

- I used to do some "board level" repairs back in the day when it actually made sense (and dollars) to do that.I wouldn't attempt it today (for one thing my eyes are not up to it any more - and second, I've likely forgotten more than a lot of guys today know.)

Reply to
clare

That's and old photo , so that particular setup was retired

however...it was a 12v system and all those batteries were in parallel.

In parallel the battery ampere-hours do not have to match but in this case they did. That said, all the amp. hours of the batteries were the same...just different manufacturers.

I probably had seven days of backup power there and if I ever would have discharged them I would have had to use an auxiliary charger.

In my workshop I now have one, 48V UPS and a 24V UPS

The batteries even match. All in all I have a total of five UPS systems installed.

Since I have some lights on the UPS too, most of the time we have a power failure I never even notice .

It is very rare to have a power failure more than a few hours, but we once had one 24 hours, I operated my computer as much as I wanted, but did have to go out for coffee.

The one in the photo was manufactured by Best, now out of business.

It used a ferroresonant transformer so even though it was a single conversion there was not one instant of drop out.

The only dual conversion UPS Ihad bit the dust about a year ago....it was quite ancient.

No generator here, the one 24 hour failure we had was an very odd situation

Reply to
philo

Whatever, it's good to have you as a friend! :-D

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David B.

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