Windows 10 updates on 'unsupported' hardware

On 05/06/2017 05:19 AM, Diesel wrote:

It was a steady paycheck for 38 years with good benefits such as a company car or van I could use personally.
What I liked about my job was there were occasional good challenges and I had done enough things right that upper management liked me.
My home office was apoplectic when on occasion I'd go over everyone's heads and go right to the CEO with problems.
Though I was thrilled to retire, I think my bosses were even more thrilled to see me go!
At any rate, I left on good terms and a few years later quit my volunteer work too. Finally doing what I like full time.
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Ahh... Looking further down, you've acquired a windows 10 friendly mainboard. And, you mentioned you couldn't get USB 2 running, but you didn't explain the ports wouldn't run at all, nor did you mention the board was expecting Windows 10 at the time...My mistake for assuming you had USB v1 speed from them. Why did you think that Windows 7 drivers would have been available for everything on the board from the manufacturer? That just doesn't make much sense to me...

Why would you expect any? Windows 7/8.1 are on the way out.

I don't have a problem with that. Writing drivers is a pain in the ass. Why shouldn't he be paid for the work he'll have to do?
You might not actually have to go that far though. It may still be possible to find compatible drivers for Windows 7 and that board... They won't come from asus and they'd be generic in nature, but... It's possible. Have you tried one of the gianormous driver collection packages? I've got two of them. Driverpack and SDI. Credit to Shadow for turning me onto the SDI collection.

I have no problems with that. I do all kinds of 'freebie' stuff too, mostly for friends, family, and co-workers. I'm not out to become filthy rich; I can't take it with me anyhow. Just finished switching a nice HP laptop from 32bit Vista to 64bit Linux Mint KDE 17.3; it flies! And, the owner is very happy with it, too. She's nearly 80 years old and has no trouble using it. So, I think almost! anyone could use that distro, especially if they were already familiar with Windows. I'm not ready to go the 18.x route just yet...I'm still taking a wait and see approach. They've changed a few things around, and, I don't like it. Mostly, the lack of codecs already present with the iso.

Hey! Atleast you have *some idea* what OS might be on the machine. :) I've had people bring me 'Windows' boxes that are actually running some flavor of Linux. ROFL. How they get the two confused, I really don't know. The distro's I've seen don't look THAT MUCH like Windows...But, I haven't seen every distro out there either. so...

Speaking of which, I need to find a shop that might be able to recone an old tube VHF radio I've got. Some little miscreant knocked holes in it and has essentially shredded the speaker at this point...Last time I actually turned it on though, it did run. So, I'm a bit irked to find it in it's present condition. It belonged to my grandmother.

Seriously? Can't you find a museum with a radio collection or something? they might want it. If you're going to toss it, atleast collect all the viable parts first. And, sell those on ebay if you must. Hate to see things goto a landfill if they can be repurposed.
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On 05/06/2017 05:19 AM, Diesel wrote:

The specs clearly said Win10 so I did not make the assumption older operating systems were supported, but I thought for sure I could come up with something.
There were Win7 drivers available for everything but the USB and an add-on card was a whopping ten bucks so it could have been used with Win7.
I was going to use it for myself actually as my own Windows machine supports a maximum of 8 gigs of RAM and I put 16 gigs in this new machine...however I do not need 16 gigs...so now the machine is ready for the next person who wants from me, something better than a used machine.
It could be gone next week or it may sit in my shop for a year...so I figured might as well put Win10 on the machine rather than give someone a machine with a soon to be obsolete OS

I was absolutely not expecting my buddy to write drivers for me.

I was not aware of that driver pack at the time but I did try one of those universal driver packs with no results

The NPO where I did the volunteer work wanted me to setup machines for the members to use for web access and do their personal stuff.
I gave them all Linux machines, put a shortcut to Firefox on the desktop and gave no one special instructions. Many of the members have cognitive problems but they all were able to use the machine with no problem.
Unless something like a power supply blew, I did not maintenance work on the machines and they'd go for years with no trouble.
Had they been Windows machines they would have ruined them. The desktop was often filled with Windows .exe crapware

I normally would not spend the money to have a speaker re-coned but for my grandmother's radio I sure would.
I have two of my grandmother's radios here, one is a console and the other a nice wooden table top.
I am also leaving my grandmother's wiring modification in place.
She made the cord longer on one of the radios. She cut the cord somewhere in the middle and spliced-in a section of extension cord that the cut the ends off. The splices are wrapped in friction tape!

You are right, there is no way I can toss it. When I had the cabinet disassembled it looked pretty hopeless but as of a few minutes ago it's all back together. I will save it until I find a new home.
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On 05/06/2017 05:19 AM, Diesel wrote:

While I was writing here, a friend on FB told me she would take it!
That was fast.
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On 05/04/2017 12:39 PM, Diesel wrote:

Oh ya, yo have to make sure you have the right drivers. I only sell Intel chipsets, so it is the Intel one I am concerned about.
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:) I'm an Intel person myself. Mind, you, I do have a few AMD boxes.. but, I prefer Intel. I can torture them more. [g]
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May 2017 17:54:14 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

I think I would have checked into emulation before spending a dime on an actual Mac. I wouldn't even take 'free' ones.

Not use it online? Do you think hacking is like what you see in the movies or something?

Upgrade as in goto Windows 10, or?
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On 05/06/2017 05:19 AM, Diesel wrote:

I tried everything I could think of, I did find a hacked version of OSX that would run on a PC but it was not fully functional.
I needed a laptop anyway for when I;d go on vacation back in the days before I had a smartphone so for $60 I figured I could not go too far wrong.
My second one was one of those all in-one pieces of shit that I swore I'd never own, but I got one in pristine condition for $60.
It's handy when I want to give a slide show and just let it run...and not have clutter in the living room.
I do in fact hate Macs, they are built for style and to look cool.
The old ones especially were almost impossible to work on.

True, some of the most badly infected machines I've worked on had all the updates. At any rate I am not worried about someone "hacking in" to my wife's computer.
Just remembered that on my main machine which runs Linux, I still have the XP drive in it and can dual boot. I did the registry hack to make it look like XP- POS and am still getting updates for it

My wife told me she would accept Win10 as long as her Wacom fully functions. I will put her Wacom on another Win10 machine and see if it meets her approval.
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I might have to look into this more, at some point, mebbe. :)

I suppose not, if that's how you look at it. Personally, I would have spent the $60 on a new electrical tool or something. Perhaps another external hard drive...Can never have too much free space, right? :)

To a yuppie mebbe. <G>

Agreed. They want to hold your hand far too much for my tastes. I really can't stand something that wants to do everything for me, and won't let me explore the control systems because it thinks I might do something wrong.

Infected with a virus, or some lame ass trojan that reconfigured various settings? Updates can't always defend against that, because the 'malware' in question is acting like a normal program would.

Just be careful with that hack. I've seen a couple of boxes that didn't have the 'right' dll file, and, because MS thought they were POS machines, it patched it and BSOD'd the box as a result. There are some differences (mostly with the GUI subroutines) between them.
Evidently, when someone found that registry key, they incorrectly assumed that POS version of Windows (aka, windows embedded) was basically the same OS as they had on their normal PC, and, it isn't.

Do either of you fully understand that your local files aren't really yours anymore if you do? MS can retain copies, at will. And, you're agreeing to it if you elect to run Windows 10.
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On 05/08/2017 04:29 AM, Diesel wrote:

If I made any changes to the system, it would no longer boot. IIRC: something critical such as USB was lacking

Someone gave an an ancient macbook. It was not working and they just wanted me to recover their data.
Normally removing a HD from a laptop is a two minute job. In this case I basically had to destroy it to take it apart. Had I wanted to re-assemble it I would have had to have been painstakingly careful and it would have taken an hour or more.
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Thus fas nothing has been damaged and I have no reason to use XP anymore other than to support one ancient slide scanner that I never use anyway.

You mean our own personal data?
That would be stealing :)
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May 2017 13:56:25 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

What did you do prior to USB? :)

I suspect your hands on experience with laptops is that of a hobbyist or end user as well, then. It's not uncommon these days to find the laptop requires a teardown to gain access to the hard drive. :( It's a shame. I suspect it's because they don't want you repairing it, they want you to replace it; the laptop, not the HD.
When recommending one for a client, I try to factor that into my recommendation whenever possible. For future repairs, upgrades, etc.
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I like your attitude. it reminds me of some service calls where by the time they called me, it was a bit more than changing out a breaker or running a new feed. I made a shitload more money than I otherwise would have. :)
Same with many IT service calls. They'd wait until the system didn't boot at all. Heh. Not that I'm complaining mind you, I'm used to people making my job a little harder and/or more interesting. I just bill accordingly.

:) You might want to re-read the agreement that you accepted when you loaded Windows 10. And, no, it wouldn't be stealing, either. As, that deprives you of the material; since you no longer have it. At best, you're looking at copyright infringement, if the material is infact, copyrighted.
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On 05/08/2017 07:43 PM, Diesel wrote:

Obviously you have never worked on the old PPC macbooks.
they require a tremendous amount of work just to remove the HD.
as to a normal laptop I am quite capable of taking one completey apart and re-assembling. I've often had to do so to re-solder the power connector.
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2017 01:30:27 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

You really should have learned by now to quit making assumptions about what I have/haven't worked on. I find your erroneous comments to be very amusing, but, alas, this seems to be rather typical of you. You've repaired machines as a hobby for the most part, I've been doing it professionally for a bit longer than seventeen years. To have three machines on a bench would be a blessing. It would be a slow day. I'd have time to do other stuff that needed to be done.
I don't know if it's because I remind you how different we actually are in terms of service work history, or, because BD propped you up on a pedestal and I've smashed it. Hard to know for sure. He led me to believe that you were my equal, if not outright exceeding my knowledge and expertise. I've discovered from chatting with you, that's simply, not the case. I've got certs older than your 'career' in IT, as well as copyrighted software written by myself, entirely from scratch. Ah well. For that matter, I've got virus families older than your seventeen years in IT. heh...Not that I'm proud of that aspect of my own career, but, it is what it is.

I'm well aware of that. I don't enjoy servicing any macbooks, but, I don't shy away from the opportunity to make money, either. I shared a pic of a job I did on a macbook awhile back for BD's enjoyment. By comparison, it was one of the easiest machines to get into as far as Apple products go, despite the oddball screws they opted to go with.

There's not that much to them. :) I've personally found changing out the cold backlight tubes to be more of a pain. Atleast, for me. I was pleased to see they finally ditched that old POS technology for LED. So much more reliable, much easier to repair if necessary too. Atleast, for me.
If you're finished trying to one up me, and failing miserably I might add, we could move onto more interesting discussions.
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On Tuesday, May 9, 2017 at 6:50:19 AM UTC-4, Diesel wrote:

I see you've made another friend in the newsgroup.
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On 05/09/2017 09:55 AM, trader_4 wrote:

Diesel is the most insecure people I've seen posting on Usenet.
If he is capable of repairing computers I don't see why my ability to do so should be a threat to him. Perhaps he's more proficient , who cares?
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May 2017 16:07:32 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:
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I find your psy assumption concerning me to be very amusing. I've seen much worse things written about me, or, some of the things I've done though. So, if you actually want to insult me, you'd have to make a real effort.

You're absolutely, no threat, to me. Don't kid yourself. BD seems to be the only one who actually cares one way or the other, as I've told you, several times, now. You aren't the first one he's tried to compare me to, and, I'm certain, you won't be the last.
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May 2017 22:15:33 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

A search engine is a useful tool...
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=what+is+a+homie&t=h_&ia=web
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/homie
noun, Slang. 1. a homeboy or homegirl.
Contemporary Examples
Because I kinda look at him as my friend, or at least my homie.
http://onlineslangdictionary.com/meaning-definition-of/homie
Definition of homie homie noun
a friend.
He is my precious homie.
Me and my homie taking a trip this summer.
That took all of two seconds. Clearly, you missed the sarcasm implied. And you want to question my cleverness? :)
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Tue, 09 May 2017 22:12:50 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:

Ah yes, warning you that the following pic would be included with future releases if you didn't, basically, leave me and HHI alone..
Let's put it in proper perspective then:
http://picpaste.com/uSwEbXOQ.jpg
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A search engine is a useful tool...
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=what+is+a+homie&t=h_&ia=web
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/homie
noun, Slang. 1. a homeboy or homegirl.
Contemporary Examples
Because I kinda look at him as my friend, or at least my homie.
http://onlineslangdictionary.com/meaning-definition-of/homie
Definition of homie homie noun
a friend.
He is my precious homie.
Me and my homie taking a trip this summer.
That took all of two seconds. Clearly, you missed the sarcasm implied...
I think we should let others see the pic in question. To put the post you lifted from two other newsgroups (It was crossposted to them) in proper perspective...
http://picpaste.com/MHqtJ2bf.jpg
Hmm. I wonder how many urls of that pic I have... *grin*
Doesn't much matter, it's really out there now. You didn't mention whether or not you appreciated the work that went into it's creation. So.. what do you think of it?
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On 10/05/2017 07:17, Diesel wrote:

I think you've been wasting a great deal of your time, Dustin!
Folk are entitled to know what YOU look like too, don't you think?
Here's that piccie you proudly presented to us some years ago - it's no longer in my Dropbox folder! (September 2012)
http://picpaste.com/932cb6950f3540ffa8d33ad8b3b1f101.jpg
Who took the photograph by the way - it's certainly not a 'selfie'?
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Tue, 09 May 2017 14:55:39 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote:
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I'm not here to make friends, Trader.
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