Frost free fan

[Archeyboy]

I have de iced the fan which was solid with ice . Since then both the warning lights are on after restart . Have pressed fast freeze button for 10 seconds but they have staid on . Run freezer but lights stay on . Many Thanks Colin

[John Rumm]

I don't understand HoH posters - there must be more than one of them, yet they seem to be as a group all cut form the same cloth; incapable of actually asking a coherent question, or even providing the basic information that would make it possible to answer one if they did.

I appreciate that this rant will fall on deaf ears since it's exceedingly rare they ever manage to find their post and the replies to it again in the future, and so in 99% of cases we will never here from them again.

For the avoidance of doubt, why not tell us the make and model of appliance. Give us a clue of what the lights indicate, and how they used to work if now working differently. Perhaps an indication of whether the appliance is actually working so we know if this a major fault in operation or just a problem with the indicators...

[newshound]

+1. I had a look at the site to see if it had any FAQ or other guidance for posters, but decided I could not be arsed to sign up after seeing the unpleasant design.

[Dave W]

Where did you find the message you're replying to? There's no line about "for full context" so I don't think it's from HoH, and I can't find the original subject on HoH. I googled for "Frost Free Fan" but found nothing. I googled for archeyboy but found nothing relevant.

[Paul]

"Indexing" at Google takes time. At one time, certain materials were indexed almost instantly. Google turned the knob down on the Indexer, as part of some economy campaign. (Some of what Google does, takes a ton of computers to implement, and with a somewhat limited supply of computers, they would repurpose them to "things that earned revenue". That's why you turn down an Indexer.)

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Walk back the headers. You don't need Google, when your USENET client can provide the necessary info.

Nobody seems to keep header view switched on in their USENET client.

The message John replied to, has a reference <MID> like this. When you copy/paste, include the <> bits on the ends too. All of this, to be copied.

<16b15b4f04488945$1$2233751$ [e-mail]>

Plug it in here:

Get this page in response.

Look to bottom of page, see this link.

Now, when it comes to Path: analysis, I'm no good at that, and can't figure out where anything came from :-) But with references or message ids, the above works after a fashion. When a message has a ton of reference IDs in the header, it can be a lot of work to use Howard in such cases. Using Howard is good for brand new threads, not threads with 500 messages, where the References line is operating in "lossy mode".

USENET clients come with all sorts of strengths and weaknesses. Some, you cannot navigate using <MID> values at all, which forces the usage of Howard as an approximate solution. This also causes problems in groups, where someone will just reference a <MID> value, and half the audience can't "enter it into their Reader and go there". This is why, if I need to point someone to a posting of note, I'd use a Howard linkage. It is in vanilla text format. It's truncated to 10KB or so (that's because the "movie people" tried to abuse Howard as a movie download site, and the Howard operator had to stop them). But, it's better than nothing.

Paul

[Dave W]

Thank you for that useful information. However when I tried it, it just took me back to the mysterious Re: Frost Free Fan from Archeyboy on HoH with no 'full context' to get back to the start of the thread.

[Archeyboy]

Hotpoint frost free FZFM172 Freezer . The fast freeze light and red warning light just all the time . Turned unit of and on no change Thanks. Colin

[John Rumm]

Not sure what google has to do with this. HoH is a web based aggregator of a multitude of unrelated usenet groups.

They have a front page that promotes threads without reference to what group they are from, and highlights a selection of seemingly random threads from various groups - many of them ancient.

If you go to post a question it then lets you select from a range of groups without any clue to what they actually link to. The current list being:

<option style="display:none;" value="" disabled="" selected="" data-select2-id="130">Select the forum</option> <option value="1">Building Construction</option> <option value="2">Home Repair</option> <option value="3">HVAC Discussions</option> <option value="4">Architecture and Design</option> <option value="5">Do-It-Yourself Homeowner</option> <option value="6">Plumbing Forum</option> <option value="7">House Cleaning</option> <option value="8">Woodworking Forum</option> <option value="9">UK Do-It-Yourself Forum</option> <option value="10">Hand and Power Tools</option> <option value="11">Backyard Gardeners</option> <option value="12">Fruit and Vegetable Gardening</option> <option value="13">Garden Forum</option> <option value="14">This Site</option> <option value="15">Plumbing</option> <option value="16">Electrical</option> <option value="17">Installation</option> <option value="18">Garden</option> <option value="19">Pool</option> <option value="20">Roof</option> <option value="21">Floor</option> <option value="22">Tile</option> <option value="23">Carpentry</option> <option value="24">Tools and Equipment</option> <option value="25">Siding</option> <option value="26">Safety Codes</option> <option value="27">Yard</option> <option value="28">Patio</option> <option value="29">Wall</option> <option value="30">Insulation</option> <option value="31">Lawn</option> <option value="32">Power Tools</option> <option value="33">Technology</option> <option value="34">Home Theater</option> <option value="35">Home Networking</option> <option value="36">Home Automation</option> <option value="37">Hardwood</option> <option value="38">Laminate</option> <option value="39">Driveway</option> <option value="40">Climate Control</option> <option value="41">Heating</option> <option value="42">Air Conditioning</option> <option value="43">Masonry</option> <option value="44">Concrete</option> <option value="45">Stone</option> <option value="46">Brick</option> <option value="47">Water</option> <option value="48">Sewage</option> <option value="49">Hot Water</option> <option value="50">Appliances</option> <option value="51">Furniture</option> <option value="52">Exterior</option> <option value="53">Stucco</option> <option value="54">Lighting</option> <option value="55">Painting</option> <option value="56">Decorating</option> <option value="57">Windows</option> <option value="58">Doors</option> <option value="59">Security</option> <option value="60">Grill</option> <option value="61">Cleaning</option> <option value="62">Garage</option> <option value="63">General Construction</option> <option value="64">Deck</option> <option value="65">Tile</option> <option value="66">Other</option> <option value="67">Codes and Regulations</option> <option value="68">Generators</option> <option value="69">Pest Control</option> <option value="70">Ceiling</option> <option value="71">Fireplaces</option> <option value="72">Bathroom</option> <option value="73">Irrigation</option> <option value="74">Computers</option> <option value="75">Snow Blowers</option> <option value="76">Home Financing</option> <option value="77">Motors</option> <option value="78">Communications</option> <option value="79">Hot Tub</option> <option value="80">Kitchen</option> <option value="81">Lawn Mowers</option> <option value="82">Pressure Washers</option> <option value="83">Pond</option> <option value="84">Storm Water</option> <option value="85">Alarms</option> <option value="86">Small Engines</option> <option value="87">Wallpaper</option> <option value="88">Compressors</option> <option value="89">Woodworking</option> <option value="90">Land Ownership </option> <option value="91">Carpet</option> <option value="92">Locks</option> <option value="93">Fence</option> <option value="94">Homeowners Insurance</option> <option value="95">Sump Pump</option> <option value="96">Toilet</option> <option value="97">Ceiling Fans</option> <option value="98">Asbestos Abatement</option> <option value="99">Ladders</option> <option value="100">Softeners</option> <option value="101">Faucets</option> <option value="102">Energy</option> <option value="103">Oil</option> <option value="104">Gas</option> <option value="105">Environment</option> <option value="106">Radon</option> <option value="107">Drywall</option> <option value="108">Glue</option> <option value="109">Shower</option> <option value="110">Wiring</option> <option value="111">Basement</option> <option value="112">Humidifiers</option> <option value="113">Foundation</option> <option value="114">Washing Machines</option> <option value="115">Dishwashers</option> <option value="116">Stoves</option> <option value="117">Doorbells</option> <option value="118">Orchid Group</option>

The post dialogue does offer a link to notify the poster of responses, but that is optional.

If you can navigate to one of the group pages itself (there are no obvious links to this from the front page - I can only find them by clicking through to an article, and then navigating up the breadcrumb trail to the top level view of the group). You might see something more recognisable to usenet users like:

Off you go, 5771 pages of threads (with no thread hierarchy), and no group specific search... :-)

Remember HoH users are not using usenet clients at all, and probably have no knowledge of usenet or newsreaders. They just see it as yet another web based forum or discussion group with multiple groups.

[John Rumm]

That *is* the start of the thread...

I think part of the problem with HoH is the "Post a new thread" dialogue:

The tiny little edit window seems to encourage posters to think they need a post with a twitter level of depth and detail!

[Harry Bloomfield, Esq.]

John Rumm explained :

Might it be possible to simply change the name of the newsgroup forum from uk.d-i-y to something different, such as uk.diy ? Thus putting an end to this problem once and for all?

[The Natural Philosopher]

A horrendously involved process.

[Andy Burns]

likely to fragment the group into scattered, poorly connected islands, and kill it off ...

[John Rumm]

Do you mean renaming this usenet group? I expect there is a procedure for renaming a group, but I can't see it helping.

It would likely be a 20 second configuration change for web sites like HoH to update the name and resume normal "service".

Also while web front ends to usenet are in some respects sub optimal for users, there is no reason that they can't work well enough to offer a usable service (google groups manages it mostly). It just seems like HoH has been carefully crafted to annoy everyone!

[Tim+]

Just out of interest, can anyone using NIN see the first post? I never saw it and get ?The article is no longer available? if I try to download it with my news client. (NewsTap on an iPad).

Tim

[John Brown]

Not of you mean the one from Archeyboy.

I do get that with NewsTap but never saw it with what I use on the PC.

Looks like just a quirk of NewsTap.

[Andy Burns]

I only saw John's message at the top of the thread, which is usually because I automatically ignore HoH thread, but even viewing ignored threads I didn't see Archeyboy's original, but I do see that he's actually replied with the model number.

[Dave W]

If it's the start of the thread, why does the aubject start with Re:?

[Tim+]

HOH. What do you expect?

Tim

[Dave W]

Sorry, please ignore my previous posting asking why the start of the thread starts with Re: - it doesn't

[Dave W]

I see that HoH has copied all these wingeing messages on uk d-i-y, making Archeyboy's freezer thread difficult to follow. Hopefully that will put a few people off using HoH!