OT Key Bridge nonsense.

It seems to be conflating "harbor pilot" with "airplane pilot".

Or just the classic example of a troll.

In any case, speculation on a usenet newsgroup based on media articles is pointless.

Still unable to read and understand what is in Bob F's post Wannabeatrol repeats the same delusional bullshit.

Pilots do not operate the ship controls.

But not as pointless as making absurd assumptions based on the poor wording in such "sources".

You are typical of American school grads. Cannot read, write or do math.

This is my reply to ED P's post. Apparently a trainee pilot from Baltimore port authority was handling all the maneuvers on the bridge of the container ship, right until the crash:

The following paragraphs are excerpts from your link:

#1 “The pilot ordered a hard left rudder, and dropped the port anchor to try to keep the ship from moving right,” said Clayton L. Diamond, executive director and general counsel for The American Pilots’ Association. “The pilot did everything he could to slow the ship.”

#2 The Maryland pilot who guided the ship received years of training to become a pilot, has a state license which requires knowledge of the local waters and has more than a decade of experience. An apprentice pilot was on board observing the pilot, but Diamond said he was new to the pilot training program, having started on Feb. 1, and was not involved in any of the decisions during the three minutes before the crash.

From the above two paragraphs (apparently carefully crafted), I can understand that there was a pilot and a trainee. The second paragraph above pointed out that the trainee "was not involved in any of the decisions during the three minutes before the crash". That implies that the trainee was making the decisions and operating the controls on his/her own all the time, but was following orders from the pilot during the three minutes before the crash. Everybody should understand that when a pilot and a trainee pilot are present on the bridge of the ship, the trainee pilot would be operating the controls (theoretically under the supervision of the pilot, but generally that's not the case in real life. The pilot would be drinking coffee, walking around, and yapping with other people on the bridge). The trainee operating the controls is how the trainee gets the experience in operating the controls.

From the first paragraph: "the pilot ordered a hard left rudder, dropped the port anchor...". Apparently the pilot ordered the trainee to drop the "port" anchor. From the crash video, the ship jerked to the right and hit the bridge. If really the "port" anchor was dropped, the ship would have jerked to the left. Apparently the trainee did not understand "port" means left, and "starboard" means right, and dropped the wrong anchor.

The ship's black box should reveal what the hell the trainee had done and what buttons were pushed. I hope they have surveillance video of the inside of the ship's bridge to see what the hell the pilot and the trainee were doing the whole time.

Correct, you do not understand.

It only implies it in your head. The trainee may have just been standing there, watching and learning but not touching or doing anything. May be his first day on the job.

Do you have proof of any of your convoluted theories? Did the pilot have a coffee? Did you see the cup?

No matter how many times you repeat your theory it does not get any more truthful. The trainee may have been just tearing up Trump ballots and tossing them over to get rid of them. That is just as good a conspiracy theory.

I want to get this straight. Are you saying that the deputy superintendent of the Texas A&M Maritime Academy, Captain Allan Post, knows more about what pilots do than Mighty Wannabe? I guess that makes a lot of sense but it's still shocking, considering Wannabe was so sure of what he said. Maybe that is the difference between Wannabe and Am.

I read the whole link. Quite interesting.

micky wrote on 4/6/2024 10:54 PM:

Can't you read? Do you have a brain? Texas is not Maryland. Baltimore is in Maryland. The idiot in Texas is talking s*it, just like you. Texas does not have treacherous harbours like those in Baltimore.

This is from Baltimore:

This is my reply to ED P's post. Apparently a trainee pilot from Baltimore port authority was handling all the maneuvers on the bridge of the container ship, right until the crash:

The following paragraphs are excerpts from ED P's link:

#1 “The pilot ordered a hard left rudder, and dropped the port anchor to try to keep the ship from moving right,” said Clayton L. Diamond, executive director and general counsel for The American Pilots’ Association. “The pilot did everything he could to slow the ship.”

#2 The Maryland pilot who guided the ship received years of training to become a pilot, has a state license which requires knowledge of the local waters and has more than a decade of experience. An apprentice pilot was on board observing the pilot, but Diamond said he was new to the pilot training program, having started on Feb. 1, and was not involved in any of the decisions during the three minutes before the crash.

From the above two paragraphs (apparently carefully crafted), I can understand that there was a pilot and a trainee. The second paragraph above pointed out that the trainee "was not involved in any of the decisions during the three minutes before the crash". That implies that the trainee was making the decisions and operating the controls on his/her own all the time, but was following orders from the pilot during the three minutes before the crash. Everybody should understand that when a pilot and a trainee pilot are present on the bridge of the ship, the trainee pilot would be operating the controls (theoretically under the supervision of the pilot, but generally that's not the case in real life. The pilot would be drinking coffee, walking around, and yapping with other people on the bridge). The trainee operating the controls is how the trainee gets the experience in operating the controls.

From the first paragraph: "the pilot ordered a hard left rudder, dropped the port anchor...". Apparently the pilot ordered the trainee to drop the "port" anchor. From the crash video, the ship jerked to the right and hit the bridge. If really the "port" anchor was dropped, the ship would have jerked to the left. Apparently the trainee did not understand "port" means left, and "starboard" means right, and dropped the wrong anchor.

The ship's black box should reveal what the hell the trainee had done and what buttons were pushed. I hope they have surveillance video of the inside of the ship's bridge to see what the hell the pilot and the trainee were doing the whole time.

The following is the full article:

A ship’s pilot had three minutes to try to prevent Key Bridge collapse - The Baltimore Banner

Maryland pilot ordered anchor dropped and a hard left turn

A Maryland pilot was on the bridge of the Dali at 1:25 a.m. Tuesday when the entire ship suddenly went dark. Without warning, the generator, the radar, the navigational equipment, the ship’s propulsion and the engine all shut down.

The 984-foot-long Dali was adrift and headed toward the Francis Scott Key Bridge. Somehow, in three minutes the ship’s pilot was able to alert the Coast Guard, drop a port anchor and steer away.

But without a functioning engine, and therefore propulsion to move the ship toward the center of the channel that runs under the bridge, he had little chance of averting the disaster and Dali crashed into the bridge causing a stunning collapse.

Key to understanding what went wrong will be figuring out what failure hit both the engine, which is powered by diesel fuel, and the generator at the same time. Diamond said he can’t speculate on the cause. Both the generator and the engine are in the same area of the ship, he said. “We don’t have any idea why the engine stopped working,” Diamond said.

The Dali had a backup generator which brought back electricity to some important functions on the ship, including the rudder, but without the engine, the pilot could do little as the large cargo ship was moving through the water without the ability to turn away from the brightly lit bridge.

The Maryland pilot who guided the ship received years of training to become a pilot, has a state license which requires knowledge of the local waters and has more than a decade of experience. An apprentice pilot was on board observing the pilot, but Diamond said he was new to the pilot training program, having started on Feb. 1, and was not involved in any of the decisions during the three minutes before the crash.

Diamond said he has spoken with the pilot, who he declined to name, and he is doing as well as can be expected given the traumatic event.

Perhaps the Texas A&M Maritime Academy only teaches people how to get in and out of Texas ports. That would make sesnse. People who plan to captain or pilot ships should make a list of all the ports they are interested in, and enrol in the marine academy in the state each is located in. Given how pro-Texas they are, the superintendent has probably only worked in Texas also. Time spent elsewhere would just confuse him.

Perhaps Big Thumb Wannabe Rod Speed is F.O.S.?

HE would tell you now that in some places the pilot advises the captain, and in some places the pilot takes the wheel, runs the engines, controls the gears and throttle, and pushes the big button that says "turn off EVERYTHING NOW".

Bud-- didn't say the words you put into his mouth in the line above. This is the second time I've seen in this thread that you've changed what the person before you posted. If you don't want to play by the rules, don't post here at all. Basically you're lying about what he said so how will anyone ever trust you?

It doesn't imply either of those things.

No, that's not what they should understand. What an apprentice would be doing varies based on a lot of things.

My gosh, you're a wacko.

We already know the pilot doesn't operate the controls, and thus neither does the apprentice. But if he did operate the controls it would not mean that the apprentice was doing so on any particular day. We know from the article how little the appreentice was doing this day on the last 3 minutes. AIUI he was doing nothing but watching.

That doesn't follow either, unless someone believes your prior misinterpretations.

LOL

You're continuing to assume the apprentice did things.

Send them your email addresss and they'll send you the video.

micky wrote on 4/7/2024 12:06 AM:

Texas is at the Gulf of Mexico. It has 11 deep sea ports. I am surprised it even needs port pilots.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Texas,+USA/@25.7398334,-92.4156427,5.26z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x864070360b823249:0x16eb1c8f1808de3c!8m2!3d31.9685988!4d-99.9018131!16zL20vMDdiX2w?entry=ttu

On the other hand, Baltimore port is upriver far from the river mouth. Port pilots are absolutely necessary to navigate through the treacherous water channel.

Google Maps has updated the broken part of the Key Bridge. If you zoom out, you can understand why it requires the service of port pilots to navigate the waters.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Baltimore,+MD,+USA/@39.219363,-76.5285108,14.43z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x89c803aed6f483b7:0x44896a84223e758!8m2!3d39.2903848!4d-76.6121893!16zL20vMDk0anY?entry=ttu

Every port pilot has to be licensed at the port they work in. Common sense can tell you that if you are not licensed to work at Port Baltimore, there is no way you can know the way around the water channel in Port Baltimore to avoid the underwater obstacles in the water channel up and down the river.

micky wrote on 4/7/2024 12:22 AM:

Don't you understand enough English to comprehend the underlying meaning of an expression?

You are so f****ng stupid I think I am wasting my time. F*ck off.

It will be forgotten immediately.

Big thumb Wannabe Rod Speed posters NEVER accept anyone else's corrections.

But they always waste everyone else's time.

I agree he has lost any credibility he may have had and is just another troll, either or both kinds.

I think the sources are not the problem. I haven't wasted time looking at the source in his repeated bs, but his conclusions are not supported by the quotes he has given from that source.

And most of his arguments depend on pilots directly manipulating the controls which is both stupid and contradicted by what you posted (which of course he ignores).

Finally a victory.

Congratulations micky.

The important word here is "lost". When Wanna first started posting here, he was sort of stubborn, and even after both sides had made their points, he wouldn't stop, but at that time his positions and arguments were reasonable and he didn't get nasty when contradicted.

Something seems to have changed in the passing few weeks or months. When he is nasty to me or others, I've taken it as permission to be tart in my replies to him, but maybe something bad is bothering him at home, or maybe he's in physical pain that a doctor could help him with.

Wannabe, do you need some help, to see a doctor or clergyman? Do you think you've changed here? If so, it's not been for the better.

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He is behaving exactly as "Rod Speed" always did. Just a NIA. He NEVER accepts anyone else's reasonable corrections.