OT Key Bridge nonsense.

micky wrote on 4/5/2024 12:21 PM:

That will pile more guilt on the Baltimore port authority. If their infrastructure cannot handle modern container ships, they should not handle modern container ships.

You are still showing your "my boys can do no wrong" attitude.

micky wrote on 4/5/2024 12:27 PM:

This is my reply to ED P's post. Apparently a trainee pilot from Baltimore port authority was handling all the maneuvers on the bridge of the container ship, right until the crash:

#1 “The pilot ordered a hard left rudder, and dropped the port anchor to try to keep the ship from moving right,” said Clayton L. Diamond, executive director and general counsel for The American Pilots’ Association. “The pilot did everything he could to slow the ship.”

#2 The Maryland pilot who guided the ship received years of training to become a pilot, has a state license which requires knowledge of the local waters and has more than a decade of experience. An apprentice pilot was on board observing the pilot, but Diamond said he was new to the pilot training program, having started on Feb. 1, and was not involved in any of the decisions during the three minutes before the crash.

From the above two paragraphs (apparently carefully crafted), I can understand that there was a pilot and a trainee. The second paragraph above pointed out that the trainee "was not involved in any of the decisions during the three minutes before the crash". That implies that the trainee was making the decisions and operating the controls on his/her own all the time, but was following orders from the pilot during the three minutes before the crash. Everybody should understand that when a pilot and a trainee pilot are present on the bridge of the ship, the trainee pilot would be operating the controls (theoretically under the supervision of the pilot, but generally that's not the case in real life. The pilot would be drinking coffee, walking around, and yapping with other people on the bridge). The trainee operating the controls is how the trainee gets the experience in operating the controls.

From the first paragraph: "the pilot ordered a hard left rudder, dropped the port anchor...". Apparently the pilot ordered the trainee to drop the "port" anchor. From the crash video, the ship jerked to the right and hit the bridge. If really the "port" anchor was dropped, the ship would have jerked to the left. Apparently the trainee did not understand "port" means left, and "starboard" means right, and dropped the wrong anchor.

The ship's black box should reveal what the hell the trainee had done and what buttons were pushed. I hope they have surveillance video of the inside of the ship's bridge to see what the hell the pilot and the trainee were doing the whole time.

micky wrote on 4/5/2024 12:32 PM:

You can plug your ears and close your eyes all you want. Of course you want to bail out, because I am right, as usually.

This is my reply to ED P's post. Apparently a trainee pilot from Baltimore port authority was handling all the maneuvers on the bridge of the container ship, right until the crash:

The following paragraphs are excerpts from your link:

#1 “The pilot ordered a hard left rudder, and dropped the port anchor to try to keep the ship from moving right,” said Clayton L. Diamond, executive director and general counsel for The American Pilots’ Association. “The pilot did everything he could to slow the ship.”

#2 The Maryland pilot who guided the ship received years of training to become a pilot, has a state license which requires knowledge of the local waters and has more than a decade of experience. An apprentice pilot was on board observing the pilot, but Diamond said he was new to the pilot training program, having started on Feb. 1, and was not involved in any of the decisions during the three minutes before the crash.

From the above two paragraphs (apparently carefully crafted), I can understand that there was a pilot and a trainee. The second paragraph above pointed out that the trainee "was not involved in any of the decisions during the three minutes before the crash". That implies that the trainee was making the decisions and operating the controls on his/her own all the time, but was following orders from the pilot during the three minutes before the crash. Everybody should understand that when a pilot and a trainee pilot are present on the bridge of the ship, the trainee pilot would be operating the controls (theoretically under the supervision of the pilot, but generally that's not the case in real life. The pilot would be drinking coffee, walking around, and yapping with other people on the bridge). The trainee operating the controls is how the trainee gets the experience in operating the controls.

From the first paragraph: "the pilot ordered a hard left rudder, dropped the port anchor...". Apparently the pilot ordered the trainee to drop the "port" anchor. From the crash video, the ship jerked to the right and hit the bridge. If really the "port" anchor was dropped, the ship would have jerked to the left. Apparently the trainee did not understand "port" means left, and "starboard" means right, and dropped the wrong anchor.

The ship's black box should reveal what the hell the trainee had done and what buttons were pushed. I hope they have surveillance video of the inside of the ship's bridge to see what the hell the pilot and the trainee were doing the whole time.

micky wrote on 4/5/2024 12:35 PM:

I know you try to be funny. Feel free to help yourself.

You can plug your ears and close your eyes all you want. Of course you want to bail out, because I am right, as usually.

This is my reply to ED P's post. Apparently a trainee pilot from Baltimore port authority was handling all the maneuvers on the bridge of the container ship, right until the crash:

The following paragraphs are excerpts from your link:

#1 “The pilot ordered a hard left rudder, and dropped the port anchor to try to keep the ship from moving right,” said Clayton L. Diamond, executive director and general counsel for The American Pilots’ Association. “The pilot did everything he could to slow the ship.”

#2 The Maryland pilot who guided the ship received years of training to become a pilot, has a state license which requires knowledge of the local waters and has more than a decade of experience. An apprentice pilot was on board observing the pilot, but Diamond said he was new to the pilot training program, having started on Feb. 1, and was not involved in any of the decisions during the three minutes before the crash.

From the above two paragraphs (apparently carefully crafted), I can understand that there was a pilot and a trainee. The second paragraph above pointed out that the trainee "was not involved in any of the decisions during the three minutes before the crash". That implies that the trainee was making the decisions and operating the controls on his/her own all the time, but was following orders from the pilot during the three minutes before the crash. Everybody should understand that when a pilot and a trainee pilot are present on the bridge of the ship, the trainee pilot would be operating the controls (theoretically under the supervision of the pilot, but generally that's not the case in real life. The pilot would be drinking coffee, walking around, and yapping with other people on the bridge). The trainee operating the controls is how the trainee gets the experience in operating the controls.

From the first paragraph: "the pilot ordered a hard left rudder, dropped the port anchor...". Apparently the pilot ordered the trainee to drop the "port" anchor. From the crash video, the ship jerked to the right and hit the bridge. If really the "port" anchor was dropped, the ship would have jerked to the left. Apparently the trainee did not understand "port" means left, and "starboard" means right, and dropped the wrong anchor.

The ship's black box should reveal what the hell the trainee had done and what buttons were pushed. I hope they have surveillance video of the inside of the ship's bridge to see what the hell the pilot and the trainee were doing the whole time.

On 4/5/2024 12:46 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote: ow the trainee gets the experience in operating the controls.

Wrong.

Neither the pilot or trainee drops the anchor. That is the deck officer that has been trained to use the equipment.

We don't know if the anchor was able to dig in and do much. The anchor acts as a fulcrum.

What???!!! This is your knowledge of how gigantic cargo ships work from merely owning a boat on a trailer in your driveway?

The container ship is stacked sky high with cargo containers. How do you suppose the "deck officers" can get to the anchors? Are the "deck officers" super humans who can manually lower the anchor? How much do you think the anchor and the chain weigh? How many times have I proven you wrong after spouting bullshit like that, just in this thread, Ed???

This is my reply to ED P's post. Apparently a trainee pilot from Baltimore port authority was handling all the maneuvers on the bridge of the container ship, right until the crash:

The following paragraphs are excerpts from your link:

#1 “The pilot ordered a hard left rudder, and dropped the port anchor to try to keep the ship from moving right,” said Clayton L. Diamond, executive director and general counsel for The American Pilots’ Association. “The pilot did everything he could to slow the ship.”

#2 The Maryland pilot who guided the ship received years of training to become a pilot, has a state license which requires knowledge of the local waters and has more than a decade of experience. An apprentice pilot was on board observing the pilot, but Diamond said he was new to the pilot training program, having started on Feb. 1, and was not involved in any of the decisions during the three minutes before the crash.

From the above two paragraphs (apparently carefully crafted), I can understand that there was a pilot and a trainee. The second paragraph above pointed out that the trainee "was not involved in any of the decisions during the three minutes before the crash". That implies that the trainee was making the decisions and operating the controls on his/her own all the time, but was following orders from the pilot during the three minutes before the crash. Everybody should understand that when a pilot and a trainee pilot are present on the bridge of the ship, the trainee pilot would be operating the controls (theoretically under the supervision of the pilot, but generally that's not the case in real life. The pilot would be drinking coffee, walking around, and yapping with other people on the bridge). The trainee operating the controls is how the trainee gets the experience in operating the controls.

From the first paragraph: "the pilot ordered a hard left rudder, dropped the port anchor...". Apparently the pilot ordered the trainee to drop the "port" anchor. From the crash video, the ship jerked to the right and hit the bridge. If really the "port" anchor was dropped, the ship would have jerked to the left. Apparently the trainee did not understand "port" means left, and "starboard" means right, and dropped the wrong anchor.

The ship's black box should reveal what the hell the trainee had done and what buttons were pushed. I hope they have surveillance video of the inside of the ship's bridge to see what the hell the pilot and the trainee were doing the whole time.

There are only a limited variety of control rooms built by a limit number of control rooms builders. Control rooms on the bridge of all gigantic container ship have to perform similar functions. A trainee pilot will operate with the trainer pilot in an apprentice program to familiarize with all sorts of control rooms.

When you drive a rental car, it takes only a short while to figure out the different locations of the buttons. The next time you rent the same car, you will remember from your previous experience.

This particular container ship has a crew of 20. That is the same way with other container ships. It can only be done with so few people if everything is controlled from the bridge on the ship. There is definitely a need to be able to shut off electrical power, say for example, if the engine room is flooded with water. Electricity will kill anyone in or trying to access the flooded areas.

Ed's ridiculous ideas in his posts shows that he might be an earthworm posting as a human.

Interesting description.

----- Stupid idea - that a pilot directly operates the controls of a ship he has no experience operating. (If that is not completely obvious read above.)

Stupid idea - that there is a readily accessible easily operated button on the bridge that will shut down the engines. (If I am driving and push the car Run/Off button nothing happens.)

Someone is competing for Ed's coveted Worst Post Ever award. With stiff competition I don't think he has quite made it yet.

Cite. An Ouija board doesn't count.

It is a genuinely stupid idea to think that a pilot will directly operate controls (in "all sorts of control rooms") instead of talking to someone who's job is to run the controls. As is made clear in the post by Bob F.

Container ships are just like cars. They just have anchors instead of parking brakes?

Of course you don't have any idea how the ship is organized. Or controlled.

But it is a genuinely stupid idea that there is a READILY ACCESSIBLE EASILY OPERATED button on the bridge that will shut down the engines.

Suddenly there is 10 ft. of water in the engine room....

And there is nowhere else on the ship for electrical control. I'll bet the fuse box for everything is on the bridge.

EVERONE disagrees with you. Because you don't know what you are talking about. Everyone likely agrees with Ed.

But keep at it. You might still win the Worst Post Ever award. Maybe Ed will create an honorary award for you.

Let's forever after refer to him as "Big thumb Wannabe Rod Speed" for his endless creativity of idiotic outrageous theories.

You truly are an absolute idiot.

The pilot NEVER operates the controls. He directs the captain to make the necessary changes, and the trained ships crew respond to their captains orders. "Big thumb" indeed.

Where you dream up your crap I cannot imagine. You never let reality affect your idiotic claims.

We all have no doubt that the final report will show the idiocy of your idiotic claims about this accident. Nothing you have said connects to any reality.

bud-- wrote on 4/5/2024 5:01 PM:

That is the job of the harbour pilots, you ignorant mouthbreathing idiot. That's what they are trained and paid for, you ignorant mouthbreathing idiot. There are videos on the internet they have simulators to train harbour pilot how to operate the controls in the control room on the bridge of a gigantic container ship, you ignorant mouthbreathing idiot!!!

That is my job. I'm the HELMSMAN and steer the ship according to the direction of the pilot

I know my ship and how it reacts and would never give it to someone else or I'd lose my job.

Your cognitive disability preventing you from reading and understanding Bob F's post (copied from a reliable source) is noted. Stupid idea continues.

!!!!!

The pilot does not want to get the Helmsman fired.

So pilot operates controls he is not familiar with in "all sorts of control rooms". Do you suppose there is a huge liability issue there? Do you suppose anyone (but you) would be stupid enough to do that?

I may have accidentally deleted a Bob F post, maybe just on my list:

Good idea but needs to be shorter - maybe Wannabeatrol?

Have a contest and maybe Ed could create a new More-Descriptive-Name-For-The-Idiot award?

I never figured out how to tell who is actually Rod Speed. Does Wannabeatrol have Speed's fingerprints?

That's true. You are a mouthbreathing idiot.

This is my reply to ED P's post. Apparently a trainee pilot from Baltimore port authority was handling all the maneuvers on the bridge of the container ship, right until the crash:

The following paragraphs are excerpts from your link:

#1 “The pilot ordered a hard left rudder, and dropped the port anchor to try to keep the ship from moving right,” said Clayton L. Diamond, executive director and general counsel for The American Pilots’ Association. “The pilot did everything he could to slow the ship.”

#2 The Maryland pilot who guided the ship received years of training to become a pilot, has a state license which requires knowledge of the local waters and has more than a decade of experience. An apprentice pilot was on board observing the pilot, but Diamond said he was new to the pilot training program, having started on Feb. 1, and was not involved in any of the decisions during the three minutes before the crash.

From the above two paragraphs (apparently carefully crafted), I can understand that there was a pilot and a trainee. The second paragraph above pointed out that the trainee "was not involved in any of the decisions during the three minutes before the crash". That implies that the trainee was making the decisions and operating the controls on his/her own all the time, but was following orders from the pilot during the three minutes before the crash. Everybody should understand that when a pilot and a trainee pilot are present on the bridge of the ship, the trainee pilot would be operating the controls (theoretically under the supervision of the pilot, but generally that's not the case in real life. The pilot would be drinking coffee, walking around, and yapping with other people on the bridge). The trainee operating the controls is how the trainee gets the experience in operating the controls.

From the first paragraph: "the pilot ordered a hard left rudder, dropped the port anchor...". Apparently the pilot ordered the trainee to drop the "port" anchor. From the crash video, the ship jerked to the right and hit the bridge. If really the "port" anchor was dropped, the ship would have jerked to the left. Apparently the trainee did not understand "port" means left, and "starboard" means right, and dropped the wrong anchor.

The ship's black box should reveal what the hell the trainee had done and what buttons were pushed. I hope they have surveillance video of the inside of the ship's bridge to see what the hell the pilot and the trainee were doing the whole time.

Fear not!!!

This is my reply to ED P's post. Apparently a trainee pilot from Baltimore port authority was handling all the maneuvers on the bridge of the container ship, right until the crash:

The following paragraphs are excerpts from your link:

#1 “The pilot ordered a hard left rudder, and dropped the port anchor to try to keep the ship from moving right,” said Clayton L. Diamond, executive director and general counsel for The American Pilots’ Association. “The pilot did everything he could to slow the ship.”

#2 The Maryland pilot who guided the ship received years of training to become a pilot, has a state license which requires knowledge of the local waters and has more than a decade of experience. An apprentice pilot was on board observing the pilot, but Diamond said he was new to the pilot training program, having started on Feb. 1, and was not involved in any of the decisions during the three minutes before the crash.

From the above two paragraphs (apparently carefully crafted), I can understand that there was a pilot and a trainee. The second paragraph above pointed out that the trainee "was not involved in any of the decisions during the three minutes before the crash". That implies that the trainee was making the decisions and operating the controls on his/her own all the time, but was following orders from the pilot during the three minutes before the crash. Everybody should understand that when a pilot and a trainee pilot are present on the bridge of the ship, the trainee pilot would be operating the controls (theoretically under the supervision of the pilot, but generally that's not the case in real life. The pilot would be drinking coffee, walking around, and yapping with other people on the bridge). The trainee operating the controls is how the trainee gets the experience in operating the controls.

From the first paragraph: "the pilot ordered a hard left rudder, dropped the port anchor...". Apparently the pilot ordered the trainee to drop the "port" anchor. From the crash video, the ship jerked to the right and hit the bridge. If really the "port" anchor was dropped, the ship would have jerked to the left. Apparently the trainee did not understand "port" means left, and "starboard" means right, and dropped the wrong anchor.

The ship's black box should reveal what the hell the trainee had done and what buttons were pushed. I hope they have surveillance video of the inside of the ship's bridge to see what the hell the pilot and the trainee were doing the whole time.

😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote on 4/6/2024 3:49 AM:

You are spot on. You must be a renowned detective. Are you an avatar of Sherlock Holmes?